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RE: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: BC comment on Status Update from expert working group on gTLD Directory Services

  • To: "Andy Abrams" <abrams@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: BC comment on Status Update from expert working group on gTLD Directory Services
  • From: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:19:41 -0700

<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000066; 
font-size:10pt;"><div>Hi Andy,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your 
valuable input.</div><div><br></div><div>I do agree with your improvement but 
take a look at the clarification I provided on item 8 to explore further 
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: BC comment on Status Update from<br>
expert working group on gTLD Directory Services<br>
From: Andy Abrams &lt;<a 
Date: Tue, February 25, 2014 11:18 pm<br>
To: Jimson Olufuye &lt;<a 
Cc: "<a href="mailto:svg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>svg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>" 
DelBianco &lt;<a 
href="mailto:sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;,  bc - 
GNSO list<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx";>bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br>
<div dir="ltr">Thank you to Steve, Susan, Jimson and Tim for their work on this 
public comment. &nbsp;Attached are Google's proposed comments to the draft. 
&nbsp;We welcome any feedback or discussion on the points raised.<div><br> 
</div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div></div><div 
class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 
6:27 AM, Jimson Olufuye <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a 
target="_blank">jolufuye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote 
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc 
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><span 
style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000066;font-size:10pt"><div>Thanks for the 
feedback Stephane.</div><div><br></div><div>Item 6 of the draft BC comment 
covers your concern with regard to compliance with local privacy law. Would you 
want to strengthen the statement in view of the gaps with the RAA?</div> 
<div><br></div><div>I also share your view on the need for some congruence in 
policy for gTLD and ccTLD but I guess that might be an addendum to our BC 
comment on the EWG status report. What do you think?</div><div><br></div> 
 style="font-family:verdana,geneva">Jimson Olufuye, fncs, ficma, PhD</span><br> 
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 <div><div class=""> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: 
[bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: BC comment on Status Update from<br> expert working group 
on gTLD Directory Services<br></div><div><div class="h5"> From: Stephane Van 
Gelder Consulting &lt;<a href="mailto:svg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target="_blank">svg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br> Date: Tue, February 18, 
2014 12:34 pm<br> To: Steve DelBianco &lt;<a 
target="_blank">sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br> Cc: bc - GNSO list &lt;<a 
href="mailto:bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx"; target="_blank">bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br> 
<br> <div dir="ltr">Thanks to Steve and the drafters for all this 
work.<div><br></div><div>I am speaking from memory on the EWG's report, as I 
have not had time ro re-read it, so apologies if these have already been 
raised. However, I do think there are some points the BC should consider:</div> 
<div><br></div><div>Any contractual obligation placed on any part of the domain 
name supply chain (be it registries, registrars or registrants) MUST 
NOT&nbsp;contravene&nbsp;local law. This is especially true for data privacy 
issues, which are a major point of focus in Europe for example. The recent 
debates over the latest RAA (as a reminder, some European registrars are 
finding themselves unable to sign the RAA, and therefore unable to sell new 
gTLDs which pust them at a competitive disadvantage, because it goes against 
their local privacy laws:&nbsp;<a 
target="_blank">http://blog.blacknight.com/blow-fuse.html</a>) show that any 
WHOIS work must also take these obligations into account. I am worried that the 
EWG does not seem to have taken more than a passing glance at ccTLD WHOIS 
obligations such as those placed on the French registry by the French national 
data privacy agency (CNIL). Looking at this more closely would highlight the 
need for opt-out clauses for those who'se national laws would prevent them 
enacting any EWG recommendations as-is.</div> <div><br></div><div>In short, I 
think our message here to ICANN should also be: learn from the current RAA 
mistakes!</div><div><br></div><div>Another point I have made before is that I 
believe as representatives of businesses worldwide, we should continually nudge 
for this work to encompass ccTLD WHOIS as well. We have all heard before the 
many reasons why the EWG should not be doing so, but as businesses, do we 
really think it's OK to have such extensive work be done on gTLD WHOIS only? 
The level of confusion this risks generating for businesses that are not domain 
savvy, and may not understand that there are different rules for, say, .COM and 
.DE, should not be underestimated.</div> 
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br 
clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing 
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2014 04:22, Steve DelBianco 
<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target="_blank">sdelbianco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote 
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc 
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div 
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <div>Attached are draft 
BC comments and questions on the Status Update from the expert working group on 
gTLD Directory Services. &nbsp;</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The EWG status 
update is&nbsp;<a 
 target="_blank">here</a>, and described on this <a 
target="_blank"> page</a>. &nbsp;Comments close 28-Feb, so today begins a 
12-day member review period.</div> <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <div>Thanks to BC 
members Jimson Olufuye, Tim Chen, and Susan Kawaguchi for this drafting 
work.&nbsp;</div> <div><br> </div> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 
40px;border:none;padding:0px"> <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Jimson is 
the CEO of Kontemporary, a systems Integration and ICT Consultancy firm. Though 
less than 10% of the company revenue is from domain businesses, he has 
interacted extensively with gTLD and ccTLD WHOIS registry systems.</font></div> 
<div><br> </div> <div>BC members are familiar with Susan’s many years of work 
to improve WHOIS, first with eBay and now with Facebook. &nbsp; Susan was 
appointed to the WHOIS review team two years ago and is now a member of the EWG 
on Directory Services. &nbsp;</div> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote 
style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"> <div 
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <br> </div> <div><font 
face="Calibri,sans-serif">Tim is CEO of DomainTools, whose products partly rely 
on whois data to help users understand who operates a given website or IP 
address, and to also make connections between domain names. &nbsp;DomainTools' 
clients include law enforcement, trademark attorneys, cybercrime investigators, 
brand protection agents, and a wide variety of professionals in the DNS 
industry.</font></div> <div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br> </font></div> 
</blockquote> <span style="font-size:16px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <div 
<span> <div 
<div>All BC members are invited to REPLY ALL with edits (using TRACK CHANGES, 
please). &nbsp;</div> </div> </span></div> </span> <div><br> </div> <span 
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <div 
<span> <div 
<div>Note that the second half of this draft shows a dialog between Tim and 
Jimson regarding certain aspects of Directory Services. &nbsp;Based on member 
feedback, we will refine that section into additional points or questions for 
the EWG.</div> <div> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 
40px;border:none;padding:0px"> <div><br> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div> 
<div> <div>—</div><span><font color="#888888"> <div> <div>Steve DelBianco</div> 
<div>Vice chair for policy coordination</div> </div> <div><br> </div> 
</font></span></div> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> </span></div> </span> 
</div> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></div> 
</blockquote></span></div> </blockquote></div><br><br 
clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><span 
 Abrams | Senior Trademark Counsel<br> <span 
1600&nbsp;Amphitheatre&nbsp;Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043</span><div> <span 
 title="Go to phones" href="https://www.google.com/voice#phones"; 
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