[gnso-acc-sgb] Re: [gnso-whois-wg] F-Secure Responds To Criticism of .bank

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all sgb members,

  Indeed a true conclusion.  But not the basis of my argument here, nor
the, or a, logical conclusion to same.  Reasonably reliable and
competent would suffice, but extraordinarily competent should be the 
goal the standard.  Doesn't the consumer deserve such?  I as a consumer,
believe I do.  I as a registrant believe I do.  I as a professional
know I do.  Or in other words, why consider a race to the bottom
as exceptable?

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    If you follow and accept the majority of Jeffs' argument here, and
> you still desire the third party access to protect consumers, then you
> must conclude that "third party" must really mean 3rd and 4th party.
> In otherwords there must be checks and balances since no one is
> anywhere close to infallible.
>
>   Eric
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Palmer and all WG members,
>
> I fully agree to the point that "consumers need protection from
> identity theft and other fraud and abuse." And the biggest perps
> exposing consumers to identity theft and other fraud and abuse
> recently has been the financial/banking industry and some
> government agencies/departments. Most of these exposures
> are due to poor or no adequate security processes and procedures,
> as the articles and blog I posted points out.
>
> Indeed as of the last report card from the GAO, many USG
> departments received failing or nearly failing grades. Ergo making
> several of them not adequate competent to determine which
> banks or financial institutions will make for good or reasonable
> third party accessors. See:
> http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/repandtest.html
> for more details ect...
>
> Palmer Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I think the concept of a new gTLD may be worth exploration; however,
> I
> > think the challenges before our Working Group are ample at present
> > without taking on the question of adding an entirely new gTLD.
> Further,
> > realistically, it could be years before such a gTLD could be
> established
> > and domains transferred to it. In the meantime, consumers need
> > protection from identity theft and other fraud and abuse.
> >
> > The question before us is how do we provide that protection for
> > consumers while simultaneously addressing the privacy issues. I have
>
> > been trying to meld into the bank proposal some of the thoughts that
> Dan
> > Krimm gave a week or so ago. It is my hope to possibly submit a
> revised
> > proposal in the next week or so. Hopefully, Dan's suggestions will
> > provide at least some comfort for those most concerned about the
> latter
> > half of the equation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:30 AM
> > To: gnso-whois-wg
> > Subject: [gnso-whois-wg] F-Secure Responds To Criticism of .bank
> >
> > All WG members,
> >
> > "F-Secure recently offered a solution
> > http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3798 to the
> problem
> > of bank-account phishing, and the discussion here
> > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/07/2247244&tid=172
> > of a .bank TLD generated some criticism. In their latest blog
> > http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-052007.html#00001195
>
> > entry F-Secure has responded point-by-point."
> >
> > =================================================
> >
> > It is clear that many on sub group B regarding access when
> discussing
> > access and phishing clearly don't understand that the phishing
> problem,
> > which is growing especially in the banking sector, is mainly a
> technical
> >
> > security problem which as I posted in regards to in an earlier post,
>
> > rather than one of policy. In regards to Whois, it seems nearly
> foolish
> >
> > to believe that the banking/financial industry as a whole should be
> > given full access to Whois data unless or until they have taken
> > significant security steps to clear up their own security holes,
> which
> > are many.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
> strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very
> > often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
> > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> div.
> > of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
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> > Number: 214-244-4827
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
>
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Registered Email addr with the USPS
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
>
>
>
>

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827