FW: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois

["Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx>]

Jeff and all,
 
Find below my answers to Erics questions off list.
 
Wout

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Van: Natris, Wout de 
Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:35
Aan: 'Hugh Dierker'
Onderwerp: RE: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois


To be complete. We work from a couple of forms of complaints:
 
a. consumers. Visit our website at www.spamklacht.nl, where they can
file complaints;
b. tips from businesses, e.g. ISPs or Microsoft;
c. national cooperation, e.g. police;
d. international cooperation, foreign complaints referred to OPTA
containing a Dutch connection;
e. own research, especially on malware.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Wout

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Van: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:23
Aan: Natris, Wout de
Onderwerp: RE: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois


Now I almost am certain what you mean. One more question; multiple
complaints from whom? Consumers?
 
By the way, OPTA seems to have a perfect charter for third party access.
 
Eric

"Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx> wrote:

        No, by OPTA as LEA. We only start an investigation on spam or
malware after we receive multiple complaints.
         
        Wout

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        Van: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx] 
        Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:09
        Aan: Natris, Wout de; gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx
        Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
        
        
        Pardon but do you mean complaints received by registrars?
         
        Eric
        
        "Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx> wrote:

                John and others,
                
                The private/business approach would definitely be
useful. There's one
                but from a EU privacy point of view. The name of the
employee who is
                mentioned as contactperson, etc. in the Whois data is
concidered private
                also.
                
                For OPTA this distinction is fine as long the privacy
sensitive
                information is accessable for LEAs in a form of tiered
access after
                complaints on a website are received.
                
                Best,
                
                Wout
                
                -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
                Van: owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
                [mailto:owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx] Namens John
Levine
                Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 7:13
                Aan: gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
                Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-whois-wg] GAC's position on Whois
                
                >>>> "Suzanne Sene" 5/18/2007 10:52 AM >>>
                >>access to whois data in support of those activities is
legal in the 
                >>united states. in other words, there is no
inconsistency between 
                >>public access to whois data and national laws.
                >
                >in the above sentence, insert "U.S." between "whois
data and" and 
                >"national laws"
                
                Good point. But then add:
                
                "or anywhere else, for the vast majority of domains that
are registered
                by businesses and organizations rather than
individuals."
                
                It is my impression that most places consider people to
have
                considerably more privacy rights than organizations.
Even here in the
                U.S., if I rent a box at the post office, if I rent it
as myself my
                physical info is private, if I rent it as a business
it's not.
                
                Most domains are registered by businesses. All the ones
used for
                phishing and scams are businesses by definition. We
could make our lives
                a whole lot easier if we treated organizational and
individual
                registrants differently, and redacted the contact info
for the people
                who, by law and custom, can reasonably expect that, and
not for the
                organizations that don't.
                
                R's,
                John
                
                
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