Re: FW: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wout and all sgb members,

www.spamklacht.nl is in dutch.  Iam sorry my dutch is very limited,
as I believe most folks is.  May I suggest you have a english, french,
german, spanish, ect version of these forms on this site available?

Natris, Wout de wrote:

>    Jeff and all,
>
> Find below my answers to Erics questions off list.
>
> Wout
>
> ________________________________
>
> Van: Natris, Wout de
> Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:35
> Aan: 'Hugh Dierker'
> Onderwerp: RE: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
>
>
> To be complete. We work from a couple of forms of complaints:
>
> a. consumers. Visit our website at www.spamklacht.nl, where they can
> file complaints;
> b. tips from businesses, e.g. ISPs or Microsoft;
> c. national cooperation, e.g. police;
> d. international cooperation, foreign complaints referred to OPTA
> containing a Dutch connection;
> e. own research, especially on malware.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Wout
>
> ________________________________
>
> Van: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:23
> Aan: Natris, Wout de
> Onderwerp: RE: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
>
>
> Now I almost am certain what you mean. One more question; multiple
> complaints from whom? Consumers?
>
> By the way, OPTA seems to have a perfect charter for third party
> access.
>
> Eric
>
> "Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>         No, by OPTA as LEA. We only start an investigation on spam or
> malware after we receive multiple complaints.
>
>         Wout
>
> ________________________________
>
>         Van: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx]
>         Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:09
>         Aan: Natris, Wout de; gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx
>         Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
>
>
>         Pardon but do you mean complaints received by registrars?
>
>         Eric
>
>         "Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>                 John and others,
>
>                 The private/business approach would definitely be
> useful. There's one
>                 but from a EU privacy point of view. The name of the
> employee who is
>                 mentioned as contactperson, etc. in the Whois data is
> concidered private
>                 also.
>
>                 For OPTA this distinction is fine as long the privacy
> sensitive
>                 information is accessable for LEAs in a form of tiered
>
> access after
>                 complaints on a website are received.
>
>                 Best,
>
>                 Wout
>
>                 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>                 Van: owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
>                 [mailto:owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx] Namens John
> Levine
>                 Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 7:13
>                 Aan: gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx
>                 Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-whois-wg] GAC's position on Whois
>
>                 >>>> "Suzanne Sene" 5/18/2007 10:52 AM >>>
>                 >>access to whois data in support of those activities
> is
> legal in the
>                 >>united states. in other words, there is no
> inconsistency between
>                 >>public access to whois data and national laws.
>                 >
>                 >in the above sentence, insert "U.S." between "whois
> data and" and
>                 >"national laws"
>
>                 Good point. But then add:
>
>                 "or anywhere else, for the vast majority of domains
> that
> are registered
>                 by businesses and organizations rather than
> individuals."
>
>                 It is my impression that most places consider people
> to
> have
>                 considerably more privacy rights than organizations.
> Even here in the
>                 U.S., if I rent a box at the post office, if I rent it
>
> as myself my
>                 physical info is private, if I rent it as a business
> it's not.
>
>                 Most domains are registered by businesses. All the
> ones
> used for
>                 phishing and scams are businesses by definition. We
> could make our lives
>                 a whole lot easier if we treated organizational and
> individual
>                 registrants differently, and redacted the contact info
>
> for the people
>                 who, by law and custom, can reasonably expect that,
> and
> not for the
>                 organizations that don't.
>
>                 R's,
>                 John
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