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Re: FW: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
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- Subject: Re: FW: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois
- From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:19:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<DIV>Wout and all WG members,</DIV>
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<DIV> I am sorry my Dutch isn't very good. My guess is that most
most of</DIV>
<DIV>the rest of ths world dosn't read or speak dutch very well either.
Is</DIV>
<DIV>there an english, french, chineese, ect., versions
avaliable?<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: "Natris, Wout de"
<W.DENATRIS@xxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 23, 2007 2:08 AM <BR>To:
gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: FW: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=263030707-23052007>Jeff and all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=263030707-23052007>Find below my answers to Erics questions off
list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=263030707-23052007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=263030707-23052007>Wout</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Van:</B> Natris, Wout de <BR><B>Verzonden:</B>
dinsdag 22 mei 2007 16:35<BR><B>Aan:</B> 'Hugh Dierker'<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B>
RE: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs. business Whois<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To be complete. We work from a couple of forms of
complaints:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>a. consumers. Visit our website at <A
href="http://www.spamklacht.nl";>www.spamklacht.nl</A>, where they can file
complaints;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>b. tips from businesses, e.g. ISPs or
Microsoft;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>c. national cooperation, e.g. police;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>d. international cooperation, foreign
complaints referred to OPTA containing a Dutch
connection;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>e. own research, especially on malware.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Hope this helps,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=106332914-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Wout</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Van:</B> Hugh Dierker
[mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx] <BR><B>Verzonden:</B> dinsdag 22 mei 2007
16:23<BR><B>Aan:</B> Natris, Wout de<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> RE: [gnso-acc-sgb]
Private vs. business Whois<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Now I almost am certain what you mean. One more question; multiple
complaints from whom? Consumers?</DIV>
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<DIV>By the way, OPTA seems to have a perfect charter for third party
access.</DIV>
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<DIV>Eric<BR><BR><B><I>"Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>No, by OPTA as LEA. We only start an investigation on spam
or malware after we receive multiple complaints.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=966161514-22052007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Wout</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Van:</B> Hugh Dierker
[mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx] <BR><B>Verzonden:</B> dinsdag 22 mei 2007
16:09<BR><B>Aan:</B> Natris, Wout de;
gnso-acc-sgb@xxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> Re: [gnso-acc-sgb] Private vs.
business Whois<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Pardon but do you mean complaints received by registrars?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Eric<BR><BR><B><I>"Natris, Wout de" <W.deNatris@xxxxxxx></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">John and others,<BR><BR>The private/business
approach would definitely be useful. There's one<BR>but from a EU privacy point
of view. The name of the employee who is<BR>mentioned as contactperson, etc. in
the Whois data is concidered private<BR>also.<BR><BR>For OPTA this distinction
is fine as long the privacy sensitive<BR>information is accessable for LEAs in
a form of tiered access after<BR>complaints on a website are
received.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Wout<BR><BR>-----Oorspronkelijk
bericht-----<BR>Van:
owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx<BR>[mailto:owner-gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx] Namens
John Levine<BR>Verzonden: dinsdag 22 mei 2007 7:13<BR>Aan:
gnso-whois-wg@xxxxxxxxx<BR>Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-whois-wg] GAC's position on
Whois<BR><BR>>>>> "Suzanne Sene" <SSENE@xxxxxxxxxxxx>5/18/2007
10:52 AM >>><BR>>>access to whois data in support of those
activities is legal in the <BR>>>united states. in other words, there is
no inconsistency between <BR>>>public access to whois data and national
laws.<BR>><BR>>in the above sentence, insert "U.S." between "whois data
and" and <BR>>"national laws"<BR><BR>Good point. But then add:<BR><BR>"or
anywhere else, for the vast majority of domains that are registered<BR>by
businesses and organizations rather than individuals."<BR><BR>It is my
impression that most places consider people to have<BR>considerably more
privacy rights than organizations. Even here in the<BR>U.S., if I rent a box at
the post office, if I rent it as myself my<BR>physical info is private, if I
rent it as a business it's not.<BR><BR>Most domains are registered by
businesses. All the ones used for<BR>phishing and scams are businesses by
definition. We could make our lives<BR>a whole lot easier if we treated
organizational and individual<BR>registrants differently, and redacted the
contact info for the people<BR>who, by law and custom, can reasonably expect
that, and not for the<BR>organizations that
don't.<BR><BR>R's,<BR>John<BR><BR><BR>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR>Disclaimer<BR>Dit
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