[gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 16 April 2015

[Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear All,

Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of 
Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 16 April 2015  at 
13:00 UTC at: 
http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-16apr15-en.mp3

On page:
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The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Chris Dillon – NCSG
Jim Galvin - RySG
Amr Elsadr – NCUC
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Justine Chew – Individual
Sara Bockey – RrSG
Peter Green – NCUC
Wen Zhai - RySG
Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
Pascal Haddad - Individual
Ubolthip Sethakaset – GAC
Peter Dernbach - IPC

ICANN Staff
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Nathalie Peregrine


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

 Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx

Thank you.
Kind regards,

Nathalie


Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16 April 2015:
Nathalie  Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working 
Group on Thursday, 16 April 2015.
  Chris Dillon:Hello all!
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Hello everyone!
  Sara Bockey:good morning...or good evening as the case may be
  Wen Zhai:Good evening!
  Lars Hoffmann:hello everybody.
  Jim Galvin:Jim listening via computer.  On hold with the phone.
  Jim Galvin:Now on the call.
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the call
  Pascal Haddad:Hello all
  Lars Hoffmann:i am trying to upload the document. but i am having issues with 
the ac room. one second.
  Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Peter Dernmbach has joined the call
  Rudi Vansnick:sorry being late, adobe connect troubling here
  Amr Elsadr:Apologies about being late. Just got off another call.
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Chris, you now have control
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Ubolthip Sethakaset has joined the call
  Amr Elsadr:Q25 can be addressed if this WG makes recommendations on what 
should be in scope of other PDPs.
  Justine Chew:@Chris, same goes for line 27: should be "response" rather than 
"comment"?
  Amr Elsadr:I believe this is also out of this PDP's scope. We should 
recommend it be picked up by another.
  Amr Elsadr:As something we've identified.
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Peter Green ha sjoined he call
  Peter Green （CONAC）:Thank you， Nathalie, sorry for being late
  Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Had we discovered this early enought, we could have 
requested that the chartering organization (GNSO Council) add this as within 
scope of this PDP.
  Justine Chew:I agree that we should comment wherever possible., but in 
relation to line 36 there is a misconception that this WG is supposed to 
determine who should bear the burden of transformation. That's not the case, 
the remit of this WG to identify who should decide who should bear the burden.
  Jim Galvin:@Amr: interesting process discussion.  Have to keep that in mind 
for future work. :-)
  Amr Elsadr:@Justine: +1. There is confusion on this. :)
  Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Sorry 'bout that. :)
  Justine Chew:Comment 38 is the same as comment 25.
  Amr Elsadr:Where are we right now?
  Amr Elsadr:Thanks.
  Sara Bockey:This goes to the "as many languages as possible" - so that is why 
no.
  Justine Chew:@Sara - I believe we are still grappling with "as many languages 
as possible".
  Amr Elsadr:This recommendation is specific to the field names, not the data 
in them.
  Amr Elsadr:Makes transformation much more straight forward.
  Sara Bockey:yes, once defined, it would be easier to agree
  Justine Chew:@Amr: +1
  Amr Elsadr:@Lars: A lot of noise on your end.
  Rudi Vansnick:difference to be made : field names database  <> field names in 
registartion application
  Lars Hoffmann:just wondering whether we could recommend to number the fields. 
and then have a fixed order ot field names. each number corresponding to one 
specific field. the lanuague would then not matter.
  Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Good point.
  Justine Chew:sounds complicaed Lars!
  Justine Chew:*complicated
  Rudi Vansnick:in general i think it is important to make clear  field names 
we are considereing are not the ones in the apllication form (online registrar 
services)
  Jim Galvin:@Lars - that's an implementation choice.
  Justine Chew:@Jim: +1
  Peter Dernbach:+1 @ Lars.
  Justine Chew:@Rudi: good point
  Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: In principle, I would leave the service provided by 
registrars in their own interface as their own decisions. No need to get into 
that. In any case, this is also related to tagging or identifying the fields, 
which should be part of the scope of another PDP.
  Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: agreed
  Amr Elsadr:This is the problem with the comment review tool. We only see 
things in pieces, not the whole picture. :)
  Amr Elsadr:@Justine: But agree that this is out of scope. :)
  Pascal Haddad:I prefer to write
  Pascal Haddad:because my mic is not working properly
  Pascal Haddad:so
  Pascal Haddad:for transliteration
  Pascal Haddad:I still think
  Pascal Haddad:that
  Pascal Haddad:the experience
  Pascal Haddad:done by Eruostat
  Pascal Haddad:for PAtent database of more than 80 countries
  Pascal Haddad:for transliteration
  Pascal Haddad:of names
  Pascal Haddad:and company names
  Pascal Haddad:can be used
  Pascal Haddad:https://www.ecoom.be/en/EEE-PPAT
  Pascal Haddad:pls check this link
  Petter Rindforth:Sorry, have to leave for another meeting. I'll file comments 
to the list.
  Justine Chew:I'm not objecting to us providing learned comments, I was 
inquiring after our approach to closely related comments (IMHO) then we should 
be consistently giving a proper response and not just say "outside our scope" 
to one comment but not to another closely related comment.
  Amr Elsadr:@Justine: Agreed.
  Chris Dillon:@Petter Thank you
  Justine Chew:Comment 54, 55, 56 are all operational issues?
  Rudi Vansnick:seems to me that i would not allow some one to translate my 
name without my consent !
  Rudi Vansnick:i agree with Amr
  Pascal Haddad:I think there should be a recommended
  Pascal Haddad:transliteration
  Pascal Haddad:which can be edited
  Jim Galvin:@Amr +1
  Amr Elsadr:"Want to use" indicates willingness, not a mandatory policy.
  Jim Galvin:Think about anti-abuse requirements.  Could a    registrant be 
called out because of a dubious transliteration?
  Amr Elsadr:Lets not forget that this entire policy is based on a desire to 
shift transaction costs from whois users to others. We can't recommend a half 
measure that may create liabilites for registrants or contracted parties.
  Pascal Haddad:I am sorry
  Pascal Haddad::)
  Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
  Justine Chew:Thanks Chris. You better get going.
  Jim Galvin:bye all thanks
  Pascal Haddad:To you too
  Peter Dernbach:goodbye all
  Pascal Haddad:Thanks all
  Pascal Haddad:Bye
  Peter Green （CONAC）:Bye all