RE: [gnso-dow123] For your review: Revised version of preliminarytask force report on Whois services

["Paul Stahura" <stahura@xxxxxxxx>]

Marilyn,

I think you know he is not saying that there are 600 registrars without
whois. 
I think what he is saying is that there are not really 800 different
policies out there, that there are less than 200 (at most).  And in my
opinion, it's more like 20.

Nice try at trying to make it seem like there are 800 unruly
off-the-reservation registrars out there.  

And what makes you think registrants do not have certainty and
predictability now?


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:01 AM
To: Ross Rader Rader
Cc: 'Maria Farrell'; gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-dow123] For your review: Revised version of
preliminarytask force report on Whois services

Thanks, Ross. I am curious abt something though. And your role in
speaking for the registrars is helpful. So, does that mean 600
registrars are given a free ride by ICANN and don't actually have WHOIS?
And if so, isn't that a violation of accreditation? 
Regards,
Marilyn Cade
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Rader <ross@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:28:38 
To:Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:'Maria Farrell' <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>, gnso-dow123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-dow123] For your review: Revised version of
preliminary
 task force report on Whois services

Marilyn Cade wrote:

> However, I don't believe that this is supportable over 800 registrars.
Some
> form of standardized procedures will undoubtedly be needed to bring
> certainty and predictability to registrants, irregardless of the
interests
> of registrars to develop kinds of services in this area. 

Again, I'm going to ask what the basis for this contention is? Your 
personal conjecture isn't sufficient to turn "belief" into fact.

If you have data that you'd like to share with the TF on this point, I'd

encourage you to do so. I'd also like you better understand the basis 
for your implication that the basis for the registrar policy position is

to support the development of new services. This is simply not the case.

Please also note that the number of operational registrars has been 
relatively stable at around the 200 mark and that the remainder of the 
registrars in the 800 that you quote are controlled by one or two 
entities involved in the aftermarket game. They do not come into play in

consideration of this policy because they do not have real registrants 
to speak of.

Finally, I think your conjecture confuses the needs of registrants with 
the needs of the intellectual property interests that you and your 
associates represent in this discussion.

I would really urge you to reconsider the argument that you are putting 
forward considering that you are describing a large part of the 
operational requirements that registrars already deal with in their day 
to day operations. We are not seeking to change our role as the 
maintainer of registrant data in the registration process. The 
implications you are making are completely unfounded (but entirely 
predictable unfortunately).

Ross Rader