RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

[Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Tim,

Sorry to have to disagree.  When I look back at the
U.S. Statement of Policy (the White Paper), I see the
following language:

Comments:  A number of commenters objected to NSI's
current business practice of allowing registrants to
use domain names before they have actually paid any
registration fees. These commenters pointed out that
this practice has encouraged cybersquatters and
increased the number of conflicts between domain name
holders and trademark holders. They suggested that
domain name applicants should be required to pay
before a desired domain name becomes available for
use. 

Response:  The failure to make a domain name applicant
pay for its use of a domain name has encouraged
cyberpirates and is a practice that should end as soon
as possible.
 

As kiting is the equivalent of an ongoing failure to
pay for the use of a domain name, and as, in my view,
typosquatting has become an epidemic in conjunction
with the manifestation of tasting, I believe that the
topic remains germane for discussion.

Frankly, I would like to see if ICANN staff can
quantify the extent of this kiting practice.  As far
as I understand, they have access to the records and
have the technical staff that could perform an
analysis (even if only on the basis of a statistically
valid sample).

We're here to get the facts... all of them (and that
includes facts on the extent of kiting being condoned
and facilitated by members of the registrar
community).


--- Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> All, I would suggest the group just focus on tasting
> in general for
> three reasons. First, it is that practice overall
> that is responsible
> for the volume we're seeing, and most of the issues
> some have with it.
> Second, as Mike notes, kiting is not easily
> quantified and it is also
> just a form of tasting. Third, some view kiting as a
> degrogatory term
> which as Jeff notes could incite unproductive
> discussions and the group
> doesn't need or want to get sidetrackd with that, I
> hope.
> 
> Tim 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
> From: "Jeffrey Eckhaus" <jeckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, July 25, 2007 8:34 am
> To: "Mike Rodenbaugh" <mxr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Jay
> Westerdal"
> <jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Alan Greenberg"
> <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>,  <gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Mike,
>  
> I do not want to start a flame war on email or pick
> on you , so is it
> possible we can ask all participants to keep from
> discussing rumors,
> hearsay, anecdotal evidence and informal discussions
> from this group as
> I believe collecting facts is one of the core
> missions here
>  
>  
> Thanks
>  
>  
> Jeff
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:18 AM
> To: Jay Westerdal; Alan Greenberg;
> gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
>  
> The press release does make a distinction between
> tasting and kiting,
> and it is important to keep them differentiated
> because not all tasting
> is kiting.  
>  
> Hopefully we will find stats to show how much of
> tasting is actually
> kiting, but I think those stats are actually
> impossible because the
> kiters use multiple registrar accreditations and
> identities to do their
> work.  I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence and
> reporting, showing
> cases of kiting have been found by Verisign
> informally and alleged by a
> few brand owners in court.  Anyone with any info is
> encouraged to
> provide.
>  
> Mike Rodenbaugh
>  
> 
> 
> 



       
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