RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

["Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>]

All,

I had understood that eliminating tasting - effectively or explicitly -
would essentially eliminate kiting.  Is that correct?  (My agreement
with Tim's posting below is based on that assumption.  If it's not
correct, then I'm likely to rethink that.)

Thanks.

Kristina

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Danny Younger
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:04 AM
To: Tim Ruiz; gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

Tim,

Sorry to have to disagree.  When I look back at the U.S. Statement of
Policy (the White Paper), I see the following language:

Comments:  A number of commenters objected to NSI's current business
practice of allowing registrants to use domain names before they have
actually paid any registration fees. These commenters pointed out that
this practice has encouraged cybersquatters and increased the number of
conflicts between domain name holders and trademark holders. They
suggested that domain name applicants should be required to pay before a
desired domain name becomes available for use. 

Response:  The failure to make a domain name applicant pay for its use
of a domain name has encouraged cyberpirates and is a practice that
should end as soon as possible.
 

As kiting is the equivalent of an ongoing failure to pay for the use of
a domain name, and as, in my view, typosquatting has become an epidemic
in conjunction with the manifestation of tasting, I believe that the
topic remains germane for discussion.

Frankly, I would like to see if ICANN staff can quantify the extent of
this kiting practice.  As far as I understand, they have access to the
records and have the technical staff that could perform an analysis
(even if only on the basis of a statistically valid sample).

We're here to get the facts... all of them (and that includes facts on
the extent of kiting being condoned and facilitated by members of the
registrar community).


--- Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> All, I would suggest the group just focus on tasting in general for 
> three reasons. First, it is that practice overall that is responsible 
> for the volume we're seeing, and most of the issues some have with it.
> Second, as Mike notes, kiting is not easily quantified and it is also 
> just a form of tasting. Third, some view kiting as a degrogatory term 
> which as Jeff notes could incite unproductive discussions and the 
> group doesn't need or want to get sidetrackd with that, I hope.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
> From: "Jeffrey Eckhaus" <jeckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, July 25, 2007 8:34 am
> To: "Mike Rodenbaugh" <mxr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Jay Westerdal"
> <jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Alan Greenberg"
> <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>,  <gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Mike,
>  
> I do not want to start a flame war on email or pick on you , so is it 
> possible we can ask all participants to keep from discussing rumors, 
> hearsay, anecdotal evidence and informal discussions from this group 
> as I believe collecting facts is one of the core missions here
>  
>  
> Thanks
>  
>  
> Jeff
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:18 AM
> To: Jay Westerdal; Alan Greenberg;
> gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
>  
> The press release does make a distinction between tasting and kiting, 
> and it is important to keep them differentiated because not all 
> tasting is kiting.
>  
> Hopefully we will find stats to show how much of tasting is actually 
> kiting, but I think those stats are actually impossible because the 
> kiters use multiple registrar accreditations and identities to do 
> their work.  I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence and reporting, 
> showing cases of kiting have been found by Verisign informally and 
> alleged by a few brand owners in court.  Anyone with any info is 
> encouraged to provide.
>  
> Mike Rodenbaugh
>  
> 
> 
> 



       
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