RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts
Mike / all- Anything that can be done to keep the cognitive distortion to a minimum here to keep things productive. The important work we have might benefit from a quick response here. Tasting is about reviewing suitability of a domain name. People who are performing this activity are indending to pay, but simply want to pay for the right thing. I recently attended an event where VeriSign discussed these numbers with respect to serial re-registration during AGP. I cannot discuss the specifics of these numbers, as they were covered under non-disclosure, Kiting seems more about intent not to pay, when one looks at the definition. The activity where AGP is leveraged in a near constant Active state without paying for it is tracked by VeriSign. They do check by registrar and by domain and the differences are negligible. I took away from that presentation that the serial re-registration was >4 times in a row. I concur with the group, lets keep this focused on the solutions and keep the emotive aspects and soapboxing to a minimum in the interests of progress. -jothan Jothan Frakes : DomainSponsor : jfrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx +1.206-355-0230 Seattle +1.213-925-5206 Los Angeles ------------- Jothan Frakes, Sr. Account Executive Oversee.net / Domain Sponsor Jfrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx 213 925 5206 / 206 355 0230 Cel -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rodenbaugh [mailto:mxr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 09:33 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Jay Westerdal; Alan Greenberg; gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts The press release does make a distinction between tasting and kiting, and it is important to keep them differentiated because not all tasting is kiting. Hopefully we will find stats to show how much of tasting is actually kiting, but I think those stats are actually impossible because the kiters use multiple registrar accreditations and identities to do their work. I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence and reporting, showing cases of kiting have been found by Verisign informally and alleged by a few brand owners in court. Anyone with any info is encouraged to provide. Mike Rodenbaugh -----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Westerdal Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:39 PM To: 'Alan Greenberg'; gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts I just used the Math they provided. -----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:03 PM To: gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts Jay, you will be glad to hear that you are one of the experts they quote in http://www.cadna.org/prepared-statement-july-24.html. That document also differentiates between kiting and tasting, and important distinction that the press release does not bother to address, but rather seems to treat all tasted domains as kited. For the record, where did you get the numbers $10-12.50 from? Alan At 24/07/2007 02:28 PM, Jay Westerdal wrote: >So the average Kited site is bring in $10 - $12.50 a year? >Why not register the domain for $6 then? > >Perhaps $5 - $20 Million a year. But I think that report >is bogus and is just making up facts. I want to see some >real stats and not made up facts.