RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Reviewing GTLD price increases' impact to tasting activity
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- Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Reviewing GTLD price increases' impact to tasting activity
- From: "Jothan Frakes" <jfrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:42:29 -0700
I realize that my point about the price increase impacting tasting
activity seems like a stretch, but it really is not difficult to
The misunderstanding seems to be that those who are domain tasting are
focusing on the 4-5 day period. This is not the case. The objective of
the tasting activity appears to ultimately be the registration of and
payment for domain names, not the 4-5 days of 'Free'.
The theory (which I believe is a reasonable one) is that the attraction
to work so hard with all the registration and deletion to obtain a
registration evaporates due to the risen threshold that the new price
causes, and subsequently the activity slows or stops because it is less
I am requesting that review of this be part of whatever policy
development process prior to enacting any policy that would eliminate
AGP or disrupt the current technical protocols or the business logic
underneath them, especially considering that this market factor could
already be removing attraction to domain tasting.
Some of the options put forth as methods (specifically delayed
activation or the elimination of AGP) of addressing domain tasting
include policy that could:
A] impair the experience of a standard registrant, or
B] impair registrars' ability to serve the registrant, or
C] introduce further technical or financial burden to the
registrar in order to service their registrants, or
D] impact the registrars' ability to preserve security and
stability of the provisioning system or
E] delay the activation of a domain for a registrant.
The goal is to not have a situation arise where the process we are
undertaking results in a policy that impairs the user experience of
general registrants or the registrars that serve them in order to solve
something that gets fixed by market forces.
If a policy as a cure removes rights or impairs the user experience only
to have the thing that it was trying to cure no longer present, the
community, registries, registrars, and ultimately the registrants are
worse off and we have failed.
If we saw PIR experience that $.05 per name curbed the activity, it
seems to stand to reason that a change of $.35 to $.42 could have an
The way a 7-10% increase impacts the 'Free' period is that the same
balance at a registry would mean 7-10% less domains are reviewed prior
to keep evaluation.
The fact is that the cost increase would in fact impact algorithms used
for break even analysis on this activity from review of 72-118 hours
worth of web traffic or PPC.
This can not be proved or disproved without the data which is yet to
exist, but as Tim mentioned, it could be interpreted from the Registry
Zone Files which are publicly available, and then Registries themselves
could elect to provide support for or against the theory.
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From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alan Greenberg
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Reviewing GTLD price increases' impact to
Tim, I think it is a tenuous argument at best.
Since the price increase only applies to the
domains kept after the AGP, the effective cost per domain tasted is VERY
At 22/10/2007 12:44 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
>Kristina, I think the idea is that the names being tasted at this point
>are all out on the long tail of any potential return. So the threshold
>for a name to be considered profitable is very narrow between its
>and its cost. A increase in registration cost would make it even
>narrower and perhaps bring into the question whether tasting continues
>to be a practical way to try to find the names that would still return
>I think that argument *may* have some merit, but I'm not completely
>convinced either. Regardless, if that is the case, we should be able to
>see the impact (or lack thereof) by monitoring the zone file activity
>and not have to wait for the registry reports to be posted. And of
>course, the registries can report on the impact separately and sooner
>themselves if they choose to.
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Reviewing GTLD price increases' impact to
>From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
>Date: Thu, October 18, 2007 3:26 pm
>To: "Jothan Frakes" <jfrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
>I don't follow how the registry price increases will curb tasting if
>AGP is being used for no-charge registrations. From my perspective, a
>refund is a refund - it just may be a bigger one. (It may be more
>accurate to say that no charge is no charge. The point is the same.)
>It's not clear to me what market factor/disincentive you anticipate.
>I'd like to understand the analysis.
>Having said that, the likelihood that the IPC will be willing to wait
>additional six months is between slim and none. If that makes us
>imprudent and unreasonable, so be it.
>From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Jothan Frakes
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:26 PM
>Subject: [gnso-dt-wg] Reviewing GTLD price increases' impact to tasting
>I acknowledge the desire to take action on domain tasting is strong
>within some constituencies; I'd like to suggest that the recent price
>increases enacted at registries may have a role in curbing the
>The recent price increases on the GTLDs may create a market factor that
>significantly removes the financial benefit to tasting because of the
>higher per unit cost.
>Ultimately, this theory cannot be proved or disproved until data from
>the registries for the month of November (the first full calendar month
>that would reflect the results of the change) can be reviewed.
>How soon would it be before we would see the registry reports that
>reflect November 2007 (the first full calendar month that would reflect
>the change) in them to indicate if the GTLD price increases created a
>It seems to me that some review of the results of the price increases
>before proposing any solution would be prudent and sensible.
>Oversee Domain Services
>515 S. Flower Street, Suite 4400
>Los Angeles, CA 90071
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