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RE: [gnso-ff-pdp-may08] 5.4
- To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: [gnso-ff-pdp-may08] 5.4
- From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:40:47 -0700
<html><body><span style="font-family:Arial; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;">Hi
Mike:<br><br>I agree with the sentiments behind many of your points below, and
offer the following suggestions:<br><br>1. Most registrars are -not-
involved in FF or double-flux, and invest significant resources (time, money,
personnel) working against the practice, and generic online fraud. This
should be stated first, and emphasized in the introduction.<br>2. The
assertion of registrar involvement within the report should reference some sort
of external data, ICANN / SSAC findings, or articles in industry / general
media. Doing so will lend weight to the claim, and preempt
counterarguments.<br>3. We may also note that registrar participation in
FF or double-flux often require that said registrar offers hosting services,
and that these non-registration services are outside the scope of ICANN.
<br><br>Thoughts?<br><br>J.<br><br><br>
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Subject: [gnso-ff-pdp-may08] 5.4<br>
From: "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><br>
Date: Fri, November 14, 2008 11:35 am<br>
To: <gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx><br>
<br>
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</style> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font size="1"
color="#2963fe" face="ArialMT"><font style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family:
ArialMT;" color="#2963fe" face="ArialMT">681 The WG has no hard evidence that
any registrar intentionally facilitates</font></font><font size="2"
color="black" face="Garamond"><font style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family:
Garamond;" color="black" face="Garamond"> </font></font><font size="1"
color="#2963fe" face="ArialMT"><font style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family:
ArialMT;" color="#2963fe" face="ArialMT">fast flux
hosting<o:p></o:p></font></font></p> <div><font size="2" color="black"
face="Garamond"><font style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Garamond;"
color="black" face="Garamond">682 </font></font><font size="1" color="#2963fe"
face="ArialMT"><font style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: ArialMT;"
color="#2963fe" face="ArialMT">attacks.</font></font><font size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><o:p></o:p></font></font></div> <div><font size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><o:p> </o:p></font></font></div> <div><font
size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial">I appreciate all the work that went into this Section
by many folks, but I think the opening sentence is not true, and think it is
likely to be harmful to efforts against fast flux attacks if it left
as-is. Is there Support (or even Agreement?) for any all of these three
sentences instead …?<o:p></o:p></font></font></div> <div><font size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><o:p> </o:p></font></font></div> <ol
style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="1"> <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><font
style="font-family: Arial;" size="2" face="Arial">There is at least anectodal
evidence that at least a few registrars and/or their resellers intentionally
facilitate fast flux domain name exploits, particularly “double-flux”
attacks. <o:p></o:p></font></font></li> <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><font
style="font-family: Arial;" size="2" face="Arial">There is evidence that some
registrars and/or their resellers have willfully ignored evidence that they are
facilitating fast flux domain name exploits that were causing harm to the
broader internet community. <o:p></o:p></font></font></li> <li
class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy"
face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2" face="Arial">Many and
perhaps most registrars take affirmative steps to ensure that they do not
facilitate fast flux exploits, and also rapidly respond to information that
they may be doing so without their knowledge.<o:p></o:p></font></font></li>
</ol> <div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family:
Arial;" size="2" color="navy"
face="Arial"><o:p> </o:p></font></font></div> <div><font size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></font></font></div> <div><font
size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><font style="font-family: Arial;" size="2"
color="navy" face="Arial">Mike R.<o:p></o:p></font></font></div> <div><font
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font-weight: bold;" size="2" face="Tahoma">From:</font></font></b><font
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face="Tahoma"> owner-ntfy-gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx [<a onclick="return
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<b><font style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </font></b>Marika Konings<br>
<b><font style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</font></b> Friday, November 14, 2008
7:54 AM<br> <b><font style="font-weight: bold;">To:</font></b>
ntfy-gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx<br> <b><font style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</font></b> FW: REMINDER Fast Flux Conference Details Friday 14
November, 2008--16:00 UTC</font></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><font style=""
size="3"><o:p> </o:p></font></font></div> <div><font size="2"
face="Calibri"><font style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;"
face="Calibri"><br> ------ Forwarded Message<br> <b><font style="font-weight:
bold;">From: </font></b>Glen de Saint Géry <<a
href="https://email.secureserver.net/Glen@xxxxxxxxx"; target="_blank"
mce_href="Glen@xxxxxxxxx">Glen@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br> <b><font
style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </font></b>Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:10:01 -0800<br>
<b><font style="font-weight: bold;">To: </font></b><<a
href="https://email.secureserver.net/ntfy-gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx";
target="_blank"
mce_href="ntfy-gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx">ntfy-gnso-ff-pdp-may08@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
<b><font style="font-weight: bold;">Subject: </font></b>REMINDER Fast Flux
Conference Details Friday 14 November, 2008--16:00 UTC<br> <br>
<br> <br> Dear All,<br> <br> There will be a Fast Flux teleconference on Friday
14 November 2008 at 16:00 UTC<br> <br> 08:00 PST (California), 10:00 CST (Cedar
Rapids), 11:00 EST (Washington DC), 16:00 (London), 17:00 CET (Brussels),
03:00 Melbourne next day.<br> <br> Public WIKI workspace:<br> <a
href="https://st.icann.org/pdp-wg-ff/index.cgi"; target="_blank"
mce_href="https://st.icann.org/pdp-wg-ff/index.cgi";>https://st.icann.org/pdp-wg-ff/index.cgi</a><br>
<br> Private WIKI workspace that only group members can read and edit<br> <a
href="https://st.icann.org/fast-flux-wg/index.cgi?fast_flux_working_group";
target="_blank"
mce_href="https://st.icann.org/fast-flux-wg/index.cgi?fast_flux_working_group";>https://st.icann.org/fast-flux-wg/index.cgi?fast_flux_working_group</a><br>
<br> Dial-in details are below.<br> <br> Thank you and let me know if you have
any questions.<br> Kind regards,<br> Glen<br> <br> <br> Dial-in details:<br>
PARTICIPANT PASSCODE: FF<br> For security reasons, the passcode will be
required to join the call.<br> <br> Country
Toll
Numbers Freephone/Toll
Free Number<br> <br> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">ARGENTINA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
0800-777-0494<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ADELAIDE</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-8-8121-4862
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">BRISBANE</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-7-3102-0964
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">CANBERRA</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-2-6100-1964
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">MELBOURNE</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-3-9010-7733
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">PERTH</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-8-9467-5243
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">AUSTRALIA</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">SYDNEY</st1:place></st1:city>:
61-2-8211-1386
1-800-880-485<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">AUSTRIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
43-1-92-89-654
0800-999-636<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">BELGIUM</st1:place></st1:country-region>
32-2-402-2432
0800-4-8360<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">BRAZIL</st1:place></st1:country-region>
0800-8912038<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">CHILE</st1:place></st1:country-region>
1230-020-0281<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">CHINA</st1:place></st1:country-region>*
86-400-810-4760
10800-712-1193<br>
10800-120-1193<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">COLOMBIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
01800-9-156463<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">CZECH
REPUBLIC</st1:place></st1:country-region>
420-2-25-98-56-15
800-700-167<br> <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">DENMARK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
45-7014-0238
8088-6075<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">FINLAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
Land
Line: 106-33-164
0-800-1-12056<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">FINLAND</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:city>:
09-106-33-164
0-800-1-12056<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">FRANCE</st1:country-region>
<st1:place
w:st="on">LYON</st1:place>:
33-4-26-69-12-75
080-511-1431<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">FRANCE</st1:place></st1:country-region>
MARSEILLE:
33-4-86-06-00-75
080-511-1431<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">FRANCE</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">PARIS</st1:place></st1:city>:
33-1-70-75-00-04
080-511-1431<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">GERMANY</st1:place></st1:country-region>
49-69-2222-52104
0800-216-1601<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">GREECE</st1:place></st1:country-region>
30-80-1-100-0639
00800-12-5999<br> <st1:place
w:st="on">HONG KONG</st1:place>
852-2286-5632
800-964-136<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">HUNGARY</st1:place></st1:country-region>
06-800-15227<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">INDIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
000-800-852-1216<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">INDONESIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
001-803-011-3500<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">IRELAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
353-1-246-0036
1800-931-782<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">ISRAEL</st1:place></st1:country-region>
1-80-9303048<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">ITALY</st1:place></st1:country-region>
39-02-3600-0326
800-906-585<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">JAPAN</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSAKA</st1:place></st1:city>:
81-6-7739-4763
00531-12-1149<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">JAPAN</st1:country-region>
<st1:city
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">TOKYO</st1:place></st1:city>:
81-3-5539-5154
00531-12-1149<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">LUXEMBOURG</st1:place></st1:country-region>
352-27-000-1314<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">MALAYSIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
1-800-80-8121<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">MEXICO</st1:place></st1:country-region>
001-866-627-0541<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">NETHERLANDS</st1:place></st1:country-region>
31-20-710-9321
0800-023-4655<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">NEW
ZEALAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
64-9-970-4641
0800-443-793<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">NORWAY</st1:place></st1:country-region>
47-21-59-00-14
800-11982<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">PANAMA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
011-001-800-5072119<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">POLAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
00-800-1210067<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">PORTUGAL</st1:place></st1:country-region>
8008-12179<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">RUSSIA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
8-10-8002-9613011<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">SINGAPORE</st1:place></st1:country-region>
65-6883-9197
800-120-4057<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">SLOVAK</st1:placename>
<st1:placetype w:st="on">REPUBLIC</st1:placetype></st1:place>
421-2-322-422-15<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">SOUTH
AFRICA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
080-09-93390<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">SOUTH
KOREA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
82-2-6744-1052
00798-14800-6323<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">SPAIN</st1:place></st1:country-region>
34-91-414-15-44
800-099-279<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">SWEDEN</st1:place></st1:country-region>
46-8-566-10-782
0200-887-612<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">SWITZERLAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
41-44-580-7718
0800-000-038<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">TAIWAN</st1:place></st1:country-region>
886-2-2795-7346
00801-137-565<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">THAILAND</st1:place></st1:country-region>
001-800-1206-65091<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UNITED KINGDOM</st1:country-region>
<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">BIRMINGHAM</st1:place></st1:city>: 44-121-210-9015
0800-018-0795<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UNITED KINGDOM</st1:country-region>
<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">GLASGOW</st1:place></st1:city>:
44-141-202-3215
0800-018-0795<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UNITED KINGDOM</st1:country-region>
<st1:place w:st="on">LEEDS</st1:place>:
44-113-301-2115
0800-018-0795<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UNITED KINGDOM</st1:country-region>
<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">LONDON</st1:place></st1:city>:
44-20-7019-0812
0800-018-0795<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UNITED KINGDOM</st1:country-region>
<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">MANCHESTER</st1:place></st1:city>: 44-161-601-1415
0800-018-0795<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">URUGUAY</st1:place></st1:country-region>
000-413-598-3439<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
1-210-795-0472
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