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RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review

  • To: "'Konstantinos Komaitis'" <k.komaitis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Gomes, Chuck'" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Shatan, Gregory S.'" <GShatan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'" <gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review
  • From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:53:33 -0500


Are your comments concerning both the top and second levels?  I understand the 
applicability at the second level, but do you really believe this is an issue 
at the top level?

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 -----Original Message-----
From:   Konstantinos Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:   Monday, January 16, 2012 12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
To:     'Gomes, Chuck'; Shatan, Gregory S.; Neuman, Jeff; 
Subject:        RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review

We need to come up with a system that does not only allow for a trademark 
owner, not associated with IOC, to apply for a similar name. the system should 
also allow names that have connotations relating to cultural or traditional 
knowledge to also be put through. What I am trying to say is that if I were to 
register the term 'olympiad' and provide historical and cultural information 
concerning the location, its traditions and the genesis of the Olympic games I 
should be allowed to do so.


Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Σάββατο, 14 Ιανουαρίου 2012 1:29 μμ
To: Konstantinos Komaitis; Shatan, Gregory S.; Jeff Neuman; 
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review

Let me clarify what I tried to communicate on our call earlier this week.  I 
support a process whereby an exception could be made with a letter of support 
or non-objection from the IOC.  We already have precedent for this with regard 
to 2-letter country codes at the second level and with governmental names at 
the top-level.  In other words, we can recommend that the GNSO approve the GAC 
recommendations in a manner that allows for a trademark owner that is not 
associated with the IOC to apply for one of the IOC names if they get a letter 
of support or non-objection from the IOC.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantinos Komaitis [mailto:k.komaitis@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:52 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; Shatan, Gregory S.; Jeff Neuman; gnso-iocrc- 
> dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review
> I personally think that this issue is not as straightforward and I 
> would like to repeat a point I made on the call and I think is pretty
> crucial: although the request for the special treatment of the Red 
> Cross and the Olympic marks came as one by the GAC, I think it would 
> be wise to separate them as, at least in some cases, they generate 
> different issues. More specific, some determinations concerning the 
> Red Cross mark appear to be more straightforward than the one 
> involving the Olympic (for the reasons I have explained in my call – 
> the term Olympic, in and my itself and without the 5 circles, involves 
> issues of cultural heritage, trademarks and traditional knowledge, all 
> protected by intellectual property provisions.)
> I do appreciate the point Chuck makes concerning the value of the 
> string similarity review and I think it is very important to make sure 
> that consumers are not confused. But in this process, we should not 
> prevent other recognized rights from having the possibility to be 
> expressed in the DNS; and, we should refrain from using consumer 
> confusion as a justification for allowing those rights. concerning 
> also that the review is based on a visual similarity check (, 
> the need to make sure we get this right is important.
> Thanks
> Konstantinos
> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:51:38 +0000
> To: "Shatan, Gregory S."
> <GShatan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:GShatan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>, Jeff Neuman 
> <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>>, "gnso-iocrc- 
> dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>" <gnso-iocrc- 
> dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>>
> Subject: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: String Similarity Review
> I also think it would be a good idea to include the IOC/RC names in 
> string similarity review; as I stated on our call earlier this week, 
> the purpose of that review is to prevent user confusion and that 
> objective is important for all strings including the IOC/RC names.
> Regarding the “list of names/strings that will be explicitly reserved 
> (translations and variations)”, wasn’t that provided in the GAC letter?
> In both cases above, I think it would be a good idea for us to request 
> GAC feedback before finalizing any positions.
> Chuck
> From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
> dt@xxxxxxxxx> [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Shatan, Gregory S.
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:12 PM
> To: Neuman, Jeff; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-
> dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [gnso-iocrc-dt] String Similarity Review
> In response to Jeff Neuman's request for email follow-up on the String 
> Similarity issue, I  wanted to confirm that I am in favor of a String 
> Similarity review for the IOC/RC names.  I don't think it's a 
> particularly complicated process (as one participant in the call 
> stated), and I assume that it will become more fleshed out as reviews 
> take place under the various provisions that trigger such reviews.  In 
> any event, it's an integral part of the new gTLD process.
> I think this issue also needs to be considered in conjunction with the 
> list of names/strings that will be explicitly reserved (translations 
> and variations) -- not that a longer list obviates the need for string 
> similarity review (e.g., Jeff's "olympics" vs. "olympix" example).
> Nonetheless, we should probably seek clarification on what the 
> proposed list of IOC/RC names would be (e.g., red crescent, croix 
> rouge, mogen david adom, etc.).
> Thank you.
> Best regards,
> Greg  Shatan
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> From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
> dt@xxxxxxxxx> [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Neuman, Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:48 AM
> To: gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [gnso-iocrc-dt] Notes for Today's call All,
> Happy New Year.  Our first call was not the widely attended and the 
> bulk of the call was devoted to the philosophical issue of whether 
> this is policy vs. implementation.  We decided that we would ask staff 
> to get guidance on this issue, but we would proceed based on the 
> assumption that we were dealing with issues of implementation.  We 
> were all supposed to go back to our groups to get some thoughts on the 
> questions below and the proposals to be prepared to get down to the 
> substance and the details of the proposals on this call.
> My notes are in red below (Sorry to those reading on Blackberry or in 
> plain text).  These are just my notes from the call and re-reading the 
> transcript.  If others have different recollections, please let me 
> know.
> Overall Issues:
> a)      What is our role?
> [Jeff] Provide advice to the GNSO Council in their interactions with 
> the GAC on the GAC proposal on the handling of IOC/Red Cross names at 
> the top and second levels in the new gTLD program.
> b)      Do we believe this issue is one of implementation (as the GAC
> has interpreted), or is this an issue of policy?
> [Jeff]  On the last call we decided to proceed with the discussions 
> based on the assumption that these issues were ones of implementation 
> as opposed to a policy.  However, we asked ICANN staff to go back to 
> their management to get some more context on the board discussion in 
> Singapore around their motion on this issue.
> c)       Are we just talking about IOC and Red Cross Names or are we
> opening this up to other names (i.e., IGOs)?
> [Jeff] At this point looking at any other names is beyond the scope of 
> this group.
> d)      Should these marks be protected at all?  Pros vs. Cons?  (NOTE:
> This item’s discussion can take up the entire call, but I do not want 
> to dwell on this given the number of subjects.  What I would like to 
> do is spend no more than 15 minutes on this subject listing the 
> arguments for and against.  Of course we will allow anyone to submit 
> comments via e-mail on this subject after the call for evaluation).  I 
> am not trying to suppress any discussion on this, but given that we 
> spent almost all of the Council discussions in Dakar on this question 
> alone and did not have much time to discuss the other questions, I 
> want us to be able to get on to the other questions.
> [Jeff]  There are differing views on this issue, but that should not 
> prevent us from evaluating the proposals.
> Top Level Protection
> At the top level, the request is to protect the Olympic and Red Cross 
> terms like the words “test” and “example” in the Applicant Guidebook 
> (Section, extending those terms to multiple languages and 
> receiving consideration during the String Similarity review.  Right 
> now, these terms (in not every language) is in the section entitled 
> “Strings Ineligible for Registration” and would not invoke String 
> Similarity Review.
> Questions:
> a)       Should the reservation be permanent or just apply during the
> first round? i
> [Jeff} On this issue the question was asked whether the GAC (or a
> government) has grounds to file an objection/early warning/etc to 
> someone trying to get “Olympics” if “Olympic” s protected under the
> current rules today?   If so, do they need to have the “string
> similarity” review?
> [Jeff] Staff was supposed to check into this question.
> b)      Should terms in this round and beyond receive consideration
> during string similarity review?
> c)       Should reservation in this round and beyond extend to
> additional languages?
> d)      Would (d) above apply to additional languages?
> [Jeff]  Staff was supposed to check into this question.
> Second Level Protections
> With respect to second-level names, the GAC requests that ICANN amend 
> the new gTLD Registry Agreement to add a new schedule of second-level 
> reserved names. The new schedule should reserve those terms set forth
> in Schedule A attached to their proposal.    They recommend the
> identical terms be protected in the 6 UN languages with an 
> “encouragement” to registries to provide additional languages.
> Questions
> a.       Should Olympic and/or Red Cross names be reserved at the
> second level in all new gTLDs?
> b.      If so, what type of reserved name would this be?
>                                                                i.
> A “forbidden name” that can never be registered (not even by those
> organizations) – NOTE The GAC in the Q&A said this is not what they 
> want.
>                                                              ii.
> Like a 2 letter country code where the Registry Operator may also 
> propose release of these reservations based on its implementation of 
> measures to avoid confusion with the corresponding country codes.
>                                                             iii.
> Like a Country or Territory Names, which are initially reserved, but 
> the reservation of specific country and territory names may be 
> released to the extent that Registry Operator reaches agreement with 
> the applicable government(s), provided, further, that Registry 
> Operator may also propose release of these reservations, subject to 
> review by ICANN’s Governmental Advisory Committee and approval by ICANN.
> c.       Assuming it can be one where the reservation is released:
> What would be the mechanism for removing from the reserved list?
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