RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

["Joy Liddicoat" <joy@xxxxxxx>]

My apologies for missing this, a time zone error on my part.

Joy

 

From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2012 8:10 a.m.
To: Joy Liddicoat; 'Alan Greenberg'; Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx; 
gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx; wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Chuck 
Gomes'
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

 

Joy,


The call just ended.  It was an hour ago.

 

Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs

 

From: Joy Liddicoat [mailto:joy@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:08 PM
To: Neuman, Jeff; 'Alan Greenberg'; Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx; 
gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx; wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Chuck 
Gomes'
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

 

Thanks Jeff – especially for the humour. I am currently trying to dial in to 
the meeting and to connect via Adobe but I am on hold for both for some reason. 
I will keep trying.

Joy

 

 

From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2012 6:42 a.m.
To: Alan Greenberg; Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx; 
wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Chuck Gomes
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

 

I agree with Alan that whatever happens, we need closure so we can tackle the 
larger issue of the second level protections.  I also agree that perceptions 
are just as important (if not more so important) than practicalities or what 
will actually happen.  

 

Just as Mary may be absolutely correct that it is unlikely for an entity that 
was not going to apply to all of a sudden decide to apply now that this has 
been decided.  Just the same, it is probably also just as rare that an entity 
in the Olympia region of Greece was thinking of applying for a TLD at $185,000 
and now cannot because they will be adversely affected by this decision.  But, 
no matter how rare and unlikely the circumstances are, that does not mean we do 
not have to address them because both of those situations are important to 
different segments of the global Internet community.  

 

We are an ICANN GNSO Working Group!  We specialize in addressing the fringe 
cases J  Just a little humor before the call.

 

Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs

 

From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:12 PM
To: Neuman, Jeff; Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx; 
wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Chuck Gomes
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

 

I am not responding in particular to Jeff's message but just adding my comments 
to the oversell theme. These are my one comments and not those of the ALAC. At 
this point, I really don't care which way this motion goes, but we need to have 
closure. Regardless of the words regarding future rounds, it is now clear that 
there WILL be a full review looking at a wider group than just the IOC and RC.

I support the motion in that I think the end-result is more consistent with the 
rest of the AG, but also accept that although not "fully" protected due to the 
lack of string similarity, I think that the difference is one of philosophy and 
will not likely have any measurable impact on this round. (It either org had 
planned to apply for their own names, I believe we would have heard that said 
by now - the is NO reason that they would need to keep quiet and good reason 
for them to have spoken up.

Alan


At 21/03/2012 12:26 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:

Thanks Mary. I am responding in my personal capacity and not as chair.

I think there are a number of assumptions in the arguments raised by NCSG 
members which you would have to accept as true in order to accept the 
conclusions.  I am not sure we can definitively state they are true.

First, you would have to assume that the IOC and RCRC believe that they are 
“fully protected” in this round.  In light of the GAC Communiqué and the 
statements by the IOC/RCRC in this group, can we state that that is in fact 
true?  Also, without the String Similarity Review, are they in fact fully 
protected.  In the DT team to date, we based our recommendations on the 
assumption that they were not fully protected with any strings other than exact 
matches of their house marks (and a few other languages).

Second, there is a notion of “charging” for a letter of non-objection or 
licensing.  I believe the IOC and RCRC on this list stated that that would not 
be the case.
Finally, we have operated from Day 1 without any assumptions as to whether the 
IOC or RCRC would apply during this round or not. The GAC gave its advice 
without such considerations and I believe we should be operating under that 
same premise. I personally do not know if they want to apply or not, but I do 
not believe that should play into the discussions.  

 

Just some initial thoughts in my personal capacity and not as a chair or a RySG 
rep.

 

Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs

 

From: Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx [ mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:14 PM
To: gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx; wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
Neuman, Jeff; Chuck Gomes
Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call

 

I am sorry I won't be able to get on today's call, but FWIW I thought it might 
be useful to place some thoughts in circulation on this list since I won't be 
able to voice them during the call. 

 

In ongoing comments and meetings since the DT recommendations were sent to the 
Council, several NCSG members (including a number who do not regularly attend 
ICANN F2F meetings) have noted that the IOC/RC are already *fully protected* in 
this first round, ie. no one can have them. As such, and given that only 
slightly over a week remains to get into TAS, and that applications then close 
less than a month from now, opening up applications to the organizations and 
other third parties now and including string similarity review would mean 
practically that only these two organizations (assuming they are preparing for 
this eventuality) can and will apply, and/or that they will now have have an 
opportunity for financial gain (e.g. through charging for a letter of 
non-objection or licensing under the new gTLD, if approved). While it's not the 
GNSO's place necessarily to question how these organizations conduct their 
financial operations, NCSG members would hope at least that the GNSO considers 
whether this practical effect justifies modifying the current protections 
already afforded to these two organizations by the AGB AT THIS TIME, versus for 
future rounds. 

 

For DT purposes, I would hope that we consider whether the current motion can 
be amended to reflect that (1) the two organizations are already fully 
protected by mandate of the Board following GAC advice prior to the program 
launch; (2) while the DT's recommendations (in particular, Recommendation 1 as 
it stands) are more fully representative of GNSO debate and rough consensus, 
practical considerations dictate that they ought, if at all, to apply to the 
second and/or future rounds; and (3) should the IOC and/or RC wish to apply for 
their own gTLDs in this round, they be considered exceptional one-off 
first-round implementation cases for which special provisions could be made 
during the evaluation process to accommodate fairness concerns (e.g. waiver of 
the objection fee should one be filed). 

 

BTW I should say that these are my own reactions in thinking through the matter 
post-Costa Rica, and not a suggestion discussed or at this point supported by 
the NCSG. 

 

Okay, I'm going to put on my flak jacket now :( 

 

Cheers 

Mary


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"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 

To: 

"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx >, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"< 
wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >, 
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Date: 

3/21/2012 11:42 AM 

Subject: 

RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call 


Jeff,

My suggestion was in response to the comments received and it would not change 
the first round.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx ]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:32 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call
>
> I do not recommend taking this approach with respect to the top-level
> during this round.  The motion that is already before the motion is
> what it is. It can be voted up or down in its current form based on
> what it currently states.
>
> To open up the recommendations now for the top-level in this round,
> given the GNSO Council comments we received would only raise issues of
> the need for additional public comment (rightfully so) and criticisms
> that there was not enough time for the constituencies to consider the
> new wording of the motion.  One of the common themes expressed during
> the meeting was that "how can we vote on a motion that is continuously
> changing."
>
> For the call today, lets discuss the comments received and how to
> address/respond to them.  We should also discuss whether the comments
> changes any of the opinions of the DT members (i.e., changes support to
> non-support or vice versa). Then we can focus on the work plan to
> address the second level.
>
>
> Jeffrey J. Neuman
> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:20 AM
> To: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Neuman, Jeff; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call
>
> I already saw your Circle ID article Wolfgang.  I support this approach
> as I have said before, but I still don't think there is enough time to
> develop the language.  I wonder if the IOC and RCRC reps could propose
> some generic language in the next few days?  If they could, maybe we
> could do this now, but I still suspect that it would be difficult for
> us to do it in such a short timeframe.
>
> Would this be a reasonable approach for the DT to take: Recommend that
> any ongoing continuation of these protections beyond the first round be
> done using generic requirements without identification of the eligible
> organizations?
>
> Note that I am speaking on my own personal behalf.  I have not
> discussed the above with anyone else in the RySG.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> > [ mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:37 AM
> > To: Gomes, Chuck; Neuman, Jeff; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: AW: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call
> >
> > Chuck, such a request to the GAC would be helpful. See also my rticle
> > in Circle ID.
> >
> >
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120320_slippery_territory_ioc_and_red_ 
> > c
> > ross_in_the_new_gtld_program/
> >
> >
> > w
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Von: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx im Auftrag von Gomes, Chuck
> > Gesendet: Mi 21.03.2012 12:48
> > An: Neuman, Jeff; gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> > Betreff: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: Preparation for Tomorrow's Call
> >
> >
> >
> > Will do Jeff.  Did the Council send a request to the GAC for general
> > language that wouldn't require naming of the IOC and RCRC?
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
> > dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:10 PM
> > To: gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [gnso-iocrc-dt] Preparation for Tomorrow's Call
> >
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please make sure you review the comments already filed at
> > http://forum.icann.org/lists/ioc-rcrc-proposal/ so we are prepared to
> > have a discussion on thee tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey J. Neuman
> > Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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> >
> >