Re: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Some definitions & concepts to inform our work

["Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

i like the ideas that Chris is putting forward -- because it gives us  
a path to clarify those relationships, as James has started to do.  so  
i'd lobby for leaving them in the discussion mix for now, and revisit  
whether we need them after we've fleshed out that discussion a bit.
yep, it does complicate things, but partly it's complicated because we  
don't have as complete a set of definitions as perhaps we need.
my $.02

m

On Sep 13, 2009, at 11:42 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:

> Chris and Team:
>
> These are interesting concepts as well, but I think they may raise
> additional complications and / or create confusion.
>
> For example, while a RESELLER may be relevant in some situations, the
> REGISTRAR is still ultimately responsible for managing the name and
> handling the transfer.
>
> And any discussion of the SERVICE PROVIDER must be strictly limited to
> those scenarios in which they can (or should) play a role in the
> transfer operation.  In fact, your statement that they  "offer(s)  
> domain
> name registration ... (without contracts with registrars or  
> resellers)"
> How, specifically, is this achieved?
>
> And finally, if the SERVICE PROVIDER is occupying another (previously
> defined) role, such as REGISTRANT, then we should focus on actions
> conducted in that capacity, unless / until we can identify something
> unique that this type of entity does with respect to transfers.
>
> Thanks--
>
> J.
>
>
>   -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Some definitions & concepts to inform
> our work
> From: "Chris Chaplow" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, September 13, 2009 11:23 am
> To: <Gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Thanks Michael, I like  "account holder" is best description for this
> individual or  entity.
>
>
> I would also like to extend on two more players:
>
> RESELLER and SERVICE PROVIDER. They complicate the situation and are
> mentioned in the SSAC reports.
>
> One of the possible matrix of hijack situations is when a service
> provider (eg. amateur web designer) becomes the account holder and the
> registrant of the domain. The business does not realize that it does  
> not
> own the domain it paid for until it has a dispute with the service
> provider.
>
>
> RESELLER is an organization that offers domain name registration
> services to a REGISTRANT under a reseller agreement with a REGISTRAR.
>
> SERVICE PROVIDER is an organization that offers domain name
> registration amongst other internet services to a client (without
> contracts with registrars or resellers). The SERVICE PROVIDER may be  
> the
> ACCOUNT HOLDER, but acting on behalf of a client may be authorized by
> their ‘service provider terms and conditions’ to accept the
> Registration Agreement on the client’s behalf and become the
> registered NAME HOLDER.
> I appreciate this now introduces a ‘client’.  Anybody help develop
> this further?
> I think the proxy name service becomes a service provider.
>
> When there is no written ‘service provider terms and conditions’ it
> becomes more difficult to establish the NAME HOLDER and hence a domain
> hijack allegation.
>
> Chris Chaplow
> Managing Director
> Andalucía.com S.L.
> Avenida del Carmen 9
> Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
> 1ª Planta, Oficina 30
> Estepona, 29680
> Malaga, Spain
> Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
> Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
> E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: www.andalucia.com
> Information about Andalucia, Spain.
>
> Please think of the Environment before you print this email
- - - - - - - - -
phone   651-647-6109
fax             866-280-2356
web     www.haven2.com
handle	OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook,  
Google, etc.)