Re: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Initial WHOIS Service Requirements Report for Council review and discussion

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 6 Apr 2010, at 12:54, Mike O'Connor wrote:

> 
> ah!  good catch.
> 
> yep, i agree.  maybe we could acknowledge/support some of the recommendations 
> in that report.  i'm especially taken with the theme of standardized queries 
> and results.  

I think we'd need to take the time to review it before supporting it :)

Acknowledging it - I think we've just done that :)

> 
> mikey
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
> 
>> This may have implications on IRTP etc.,
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Patrick Vande Walle <patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 5 April 2010 18:08:24 GMT+01:00
>>> To: <whois-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [WHOIS-WG] Initial WHOIS Service Requirements Report for Council 
>>> review and discussion
>>> 
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> 
>>> I am forwarding this document sent to SSAC last week. I guess we will have 
>>> it receive for comments through other, more official, ways. Anyway, as 
>>> always the clock is running fast, and even more in the At-Large context. So 
>>> I thought an early notice would allow us to send a meaningful reply with 
>>> reasonable deadlines.  In this case, comments are by close of business day 
>>> on Monday, May 17.
>>> 
>>> Yet another WHOIS document from ICANN, you may say. This one is specially 
>>> interesting in that it intends to set the requirements for a new WHOIS 
>>> system. Would you believe it, it also contains words like "privacy" and 
>>> "access control" .  
>>> 
>>> My personal comments are below, but I suggest you read the document before 
>>> the comments . 
>>> 
>>> I will add that this document is really about defining the WHOIS *service* 
>>> . It should be obvious that the current WHOIS protocol (RFC3912) is unable 
>>> to deliver what is required in the appended document.   Hencer my question 
>>> below to Steve Crocker if ICANN intends to go down the IETF standards 
>>> process or do its own thing (which would be bad IMHO) . 
>>> 
>>> I am willing to hold the pen to summarize the comments.
>>> 
>>> Patrick 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> <Whois Service Requirements Initial Report to GNSO 26 Mar2010.pdf>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Patrick Vande Walle <patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 1 Apr 2010 08:17:52 GMT+02:00
>>>> To: Steve Crocker <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Cc: ICANN SSAC <ssac@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ssac] Fwd: Initial WHOIS Service Requirements Report for 
>>>> Council review and discussion
>>>> Reply-To: patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Steve,
>>>> 
>>>> I am starting a similar exercise on the ALAC side. By joining the SSAC 
>>>> group, I hope to be able pass on information between both ACs and sort of 
>>>> cross-pollinize.
>>>> 
>>>> I note that the requirements mention several recommendations the SSAC has 
>>>> done in the past regarding authentication and granual access to 
>>>> information, which has been a major request of the ALAC over the years.  
>>>> It is also a technical necessity for some registrars and registries that 
>>>> need to comply with local privacy laws. For example, Telnic had quite some 
>>>> problems implementing a WHOIS service that would comply with the UK laws 
>>>> on privacy.
>>>> 
>>>> It is not clear if the intention is to update the WHOIS protocol to match 
>>>> the new requirements, in which case it should go through the IETF 
>>>> standards process or if ICANN intends to develop its own WHOIS 
>>>> protocol-like service. In any case, because the WHOIS protocol is being 
>>>> used outside the gTLD space by ccTLDs and RIRs, we need to avoid having 
>>>> different dialects of WHOIS, which would share a similar name, but 
>>>> different interfaces and output. I find it strange also that the ASO is 
>>>> not associated to this consultation, given that the WHOIS service is a 
>>>> central part of the work of RIRs.
>>>> 
>>>> The use of a structured data model would allow for easier localization of 
>>>> the client software. This would be most welcome by those who do not have 
>>>> English as one of their languages and do not understand what "tech-c" may 
>>>> mean.
>>>> 
>>>> The use of a machine-parseable output would certainly be beneficial for 
>>>> legitimate uses of the WHOIS information, allowing to automate processes. 
>>>> On the other hand, it will also make the life of those with malicious 
>>>> intents much easier, too. There should be mechanisms put in place to 
>>>> prevent large scale harvesting of data for malicious use.
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick
>>>> 
>>> 
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