RE: [gnso-lockpdp-wg] RE: For your review by 25 July 2012

["Dorrain, Kristine" <kdorrain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, or something similar.  I feel like we want to invite discussion on this 
without making it seem like we're limiting the comments to "what should 
complainants do," since in reality, that list is going to be pretty short, if 
there is one at all.

Regards,

Kristine

From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:19 AM
To: Volker Greimann; Dorrain, Kristine
Cc: 'Gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [gnso-lockpdp-wg] RE: For your review by 25 July 2012

Based on  your comments, would it be helpful to add the following after the 
charter question in the different outreach documents: [Note from the WG: only 
the UDRP Provider can notify a Registrar that a complaint has been officially 
filed and in the vast majority of cases, Registrars will only implement a lock 
based on the request by the UDRP Provider]

With best regards,

Marika

From: Volker Greimann 
<vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Tuesday 24 July 2012 16:42
To: "Dorrain, Kristine" <kdorrain@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:kdorrain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"Gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>" 
<Gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-lockpdp-wg] RE: For your review by 25 July 2012

Speaking for a registrar, I agree with Kristine. We need evidence that the UDRP 
complaint has been filed, which is not evidenced by the submission of the 
complaint to us by the complainant, but only upon the initiation of procedures 
by the UDRP provider. We have also seen cases where we received a complaint, 
but not the opening questionaire, so locking the domain name would have been 
the wrong way to go.

OTOH, we do realize that this causes a smallish loophole, as a registrar so 
inclined might warn the registrant of the complaint before being required to 
lock it and enable him to enact all kinds of shenanigans. Not sure how common 
this is though, we never forward the complaint to the registrant. For about 50% 
of all complaints we receive, we do not receive the complaint before we receive 
the provider questionnaire, maybe because of this risk...

Best,

Volker
Marika, this looks good.  My only question involves the first charter question 
and how we want to present that.  The question addresses steps *complainants* 
must do to obtain a lock, however, only the UDRP  Provider can tell a Registrar 
that a complaint has really been filed (some complainants actually send a UDRP 
complaint to the respondent and registrar and never actually file it-it's rare 
but it's happened) and in the vast majority of cases, Registrars will only 
implement a lock based on a request by the Provider.  I realize that is the 
wording of the charter question, but I wonder if we can ask it differently or 
add a sub-part?  I think we want to know what information from the Provider 
would make a Registrar's life easier.  Or maybe we *do* want to ask if 
Complainants should be submitting something specially to the Registrar (in 
addition to the complaint, which  I believe at least NAF and WIPO require)?  I 
suspect Registrars do not want to hear from complainants, but I think we want 
to know what the Registrar DOES want.

I hope I'm making myself clear.  Or maybe the Registrars on the list can 
clarify that they really do want the complainants to do something.

Kristine


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[mailto:owner-gnso-lockpdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marika Konings
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:14 PM
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Subject: [gnso-lockpdp-wg] For your review by 25 July 2012

Dear All,

As discussed during today's meeting, please find attached for your review the 
proposed public comment forum text, the request for SG/C input and the email to 
request input from other ICANN SO/ACs. Please send any comments / edits and/or 
questions you may have by Wednesday 25 July at 14.00 UTC at the latest.

Thanks,

Marika




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