RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team

[Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just on this, I thought the Council meetings at ICANN we "in addition to" our 
usual meetings.

If not, why are we having teleconferences one week out of the meetings?

You could just be clever about your scheduling and ensure that a teleconference 
was held shortly after the meeting - if you didn't want to make it a formal 
meeting of course

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I think all of this sounds well and good and like the ideas coming out.  But, 
if we do not hold a formal meeting in this slot, when will we take care of the 
motions and other business items that will invariably come out.  I know they 
may be tedious, but with 4 weeks in between meetings now, if we do not take 
required actions, then we will have 8 weeks before business can be done.

We also need to remember that the annual meeting is a significant one where we 
will need to elect a chair and vice chair and seat the new council at the end.  
This year, unlike last, the hope is that we have the incoming councillors elect 
the chair and vice chair as opposed to the outgoing council.

So, i am all for opening up the meetings to interpretive dance as Adrian puts 
it, but let's reserve some time for work to get done.  We also should have more 
time doing the tedious items like crafting motions. I don't know if that means 
having a closed workshop for just councillors to do that like the board or 
whether we do that in the open at another session.



Jeffrey J. Neuman
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Subject:        RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team

Thanks, Adrian, John and everyone, for getting us off to such a good start with 
plenty of suggestions!

I like Adrian's idea of calling it the GNSO Public Forum, rather than the Open 
Council Meeting. If we also incorporate some of the other excellent 
suggestions, we may yet be able to increase audience participation and 
engagement at the session. Hopefully this will not only provide the GNSO 
community with an opportunity to give direct feedback and suggestions, it will 
also allow the Council to interact directly with both active, regular GNSO 
participants as well as newer entrants and other members of the ICANN community 
outside the GNSO.

To that end, may I bring up a previous suggestion (I forget by who, sorry) that 
we do a general Open Mic at the beginning of the meeting? This can supplement 
the regular, shorter Open Mic minutes that Adrian has suggested interspersing 
with the topical discussions throughout the meeting (on the assumption that 
these other open mics will be geared more toward the specific topic under 
discussion).

I also support Adrian's ideas that (1) we discuss future motions at the Public 
Forum, and solicit feedback from the community; and (2) each SG/C (as 
appropriate) give a short update (especially since the Public Forum will take 
place after Constituency Day).

Additionally, I'd like to suggest that we invite, and actively seek the 
participation of, other ICANN groups and participants. In particular, I think 
it would be useful to extend a welcome to ICANN Fellows and other newbies (and 
in this respect, the Briefing Papers we had discussed a while ago ca be very 
helpful).

Cheers
Mary



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From:   Liz Gasster <liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx>
To:      Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
"john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC:      "'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'" 
<gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx>, Glen de Saint Géry<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
Date:   7/7/2011 3:14 PM
Subject:        RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team

Hi Adrian,



Thanks so much for the amplification.  I find it very helpful, and I’m excited 
by your ideas to engage the audience more!  Best, Liz



From: Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:53 AM
To: Liz Gasster; john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'; Glen de Saint Géry
Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team



Thanks Liz.



I suppose I see the public meetings more as an opportunity to engage our 
audience. We cannot do this if we are constrained by the usual practices of 
motions etc.



We have plenty of opportunity for these in our usual meetings.



Let’s not call it a Public Meeting at all and call it the GNSO update and 
public forum.



I think the current public meeting has an identity crisis.



Why do let people interact with the Council. We don’t let them at any other 
time during our usual meetings. Instead we do this “tacked on” version where we 
ask for public comment randomly. The comment very rarely helps with discussion 
and doesn’t drive any healthy debate.



The other point is that if you have motions you really constrain the discussion 
to that topic. I’d prefer to provide a broad cross section of discussion around 
the entire Council’s work.



With respect to transcription, once again I would ask why is it in place? Do we 
transcribe all our other meetings? Why is this one so special? I was thinking 
that if we move to a “workshop” style meeting that the transcription simply 
woudln;t be necessary.



Once again, these are just my thoughts as I write (I am horribly jetlagged and 
not sure I am making any sense whatsoever!).



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From: Liz Gasster [mailto:liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 12:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team



Hi all,



Glen is investigating why Adrian’s post did not go through (thanks John for 
helping to identify this problem).



Adrian – I would find it helpful for you to expand a bit on why you suggest 
that there not be a formal Council meeting, or motions, and that these meetings 
not be transcribed.  I do understand your point about the need to facilitate 
greater community discussion during the public meetings.  Are you saying that 
you think not having a formal council meeting (without motions or transcript) 
would help in that regard?  Just seeking to understand…



Thanks so much!  Liz



Ps. I’m also curious about “interpretive dance” in this context but I expect 
we’ll hear more on that!  thanks again…





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Yup.



Berard

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        Did everyone get this?



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        From: Adrian Kinderis
        Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2011 11:41 PM
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        Here is a few quick bulletpointed points;



        -          The meeting should not be a formal Council meeting

        o    No motions

        o    It should not be transcribed

        -          The meeting could be more an update of the work that has 
been/ is currently being completed since the last “public meeting”

        -          Comments from the floor should be solicited continually 
through the meeting

        -          WG’s should be encouraged to present their current issues/ 
progress

        o    They could solicit Council/ public input to any obstacles etc

        -          Future motions could be discussed

        o    This is where the good debate happens

        -          A summary of the weekend sessions could be provided

        -          Perhaps each stakeholder group could perform a short summary 
of who they are and what their current concerns are



        Does that help start with the thoughts.



        Not particularly sexy... but that will come in the way we go about 
performing the above (interpretive dance?)



        Thanks.



        Adrian Kinderis
        Chief Executive Officer

        AusRegistry International Pty Ltd
        Level 8, 10 Queens Road
        Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004
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        Hey!



        Perhaps I can prime the pump by re-posting my initial thoughts when 
this effort was suggested.



        By "design," I was thinking of everything from the way we are arranged, 
in relation to each other and the public participants to shifting the 
organization of our work to get people to the mic earlier to using the speed of 
a consensus agenda (as does the Board) to help prioritize in a more responsive 
way.



        Feel free to pile on!



        Berard

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                Dear All,

                As agreed at the GNSO Council wrap-up meeting a small group has 
been formed to revise the format of the open Council meetings.
                The Open Council Meeting Drafting Team mailing list is up and 
running.

                As requested, the following people have been added to the list:

                Stéphane Van Gelder
                Adrian Kinderis
                Zahid Jamil"
                William Drake
                Mary Wong
                Jeff Neuman
                John Berard

                Please let me know whether you would like to be added to the 
drafting team.
                Thank you.
                Kind regards,

                Glen

                Glen de Saint Géry
                GNSO Secretariat
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