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Re: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
- To: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
- From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:12:02 +0200
No that's not so. The Open Council meetings are very much part of our yearly
meeting schedule.
As I explained in Singapore, this time there was a scheduling hiccup which
meant that we had a teleconference just 2 weeks before the Open Council
meeting, which did make things more difficult.
Stéphane
Le 8 juil. 2011 à 21:57, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
>
> Just on this, I thought the Council meetings at ICANN we "in addition to" our
> usual meetings.
>
> If not, why are we having teleconferences one week out of the meetings?
>
> You could just be clever about your scheduling and ensure that a
> teleconference was held shortly after the meeting - if you didn't want to
> make it a formal meeting of course
>
> Adrian Kinderis
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 8:07 PM
> To: 'Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx'
> Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
>
>
> I think all of this sounds well and good and like the ideas coming out. But,
> if we do not hold a formal meeting in this slot, when will we take care of
> the motions and other business items that will invariably come out. I know
> they may be tedious, but with 4 weeks in between meetings now, if we do not
> take required actions, then we will have 8 weeks before business can be done.
>
> We also need to remember that the annual meeting is a significant one where
> we will need to elect a chair and vice chair and seat the new council at the
> end. This year, unlike last, the hope is that we have the incoming
> councillors elect the chair and vice chair as opposed to the outgoing council.
>
> So, i am all for opening up the meetings to interpretive dance as Adrian puts
> it, but let's reserve some time for work to get done. We also should have
> more time doing the tedious items like crafting motions. I don't know if that
> means having a closed workshop for just councillors to do that like the board
> or whether we do that in the open at another session.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey J. Neuman
> Vice President, Law and Policy
> Neustar, Inc
> Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 06:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
> To:
> Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting
> Team
>
> Thanks, Adrian, John and everyone, for getting us off to such a good start
> with plenty of suggestions!
>
> I like Adrian's idea of calling it the GNSO Public Forum, rather than the
> Open Council Meeting. If we also incorporate some of the other excellent
> suggestions, we may yet be able to increase audience participation and
> engagement at the session. Hopefully this will not only provide the GNSO
> community with an opportunity to give direct feedback and suggestions, it
> will also allow the Council to interact directly with both active, regular
> GNSO participants as well as newer entrants and other members of the ICANN
> community outside the GNSO.
>
> To that end, may I bring up a previous suggestion (I forget by who, sorry)
> that we do a general Open Mic at the beginning of the meeting? This can
> supplement the regular, shorter Open Mic minutes that Adrian has suggested
> interspersing with the topical discussions throughout the meeting (on the
> assumption that these other open mics will be geared more toward the specific
> topic under discussion).
>
> I also support Adrian's ideas that (1) we discuss future motions at the
> Public Forum, and solicit feedback from the community; and (2) each SG/C (as
> appropriate) give a short update (especially since the Public Forum will take
> place after Constituency Day).
>
> Additionally, I'd like to suggest that we invite, and actively seek the
> participation of, other ICANN groups and participants. In particular, I think
> it would be useful to extend a welcome to ICANN Fellows and other newbies
> (and in this respect, the Briefing Papers we had discussed a while ago ca be
> very helpful).
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law
> Chair, Graduate IP Programs
> Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
> UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
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>>>>
> From: Liz Gasster <liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> CC: "'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'"
> <gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx>, Glen de Saint Géry<Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 7/7/2011 3:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting
> Team
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for the amplification. I find it very helpful, and I’m
> excited by your ideas to engage the audience more! Best, Liz
>
>
>
> From: Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:53 AM
> To: Liz Gasster; john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'; Glen de Saint Géry
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
>
>
>
> Thanks Liz.
>
>
>
> I suppose I see the public meetings more as an opportunity to engage our
> audience. We cannot do this if we are constrained by the usual practices of
> motions etc.
>
>
>
> We have plenty of opportunity for these in our usual meetings.
>
>
>
> Let’s not call it a Public Meeting at all and call it the GNSO update and
> public forum.
>
>
>
> I think the current public meeting has an identity crisis.
>
>
>
> Why do let people interact with the Council. We don’t let them at any other
> time during our usual meetings. Instead we do this “tacked on” version where
> we ask for public comment randomly. The comment very rarely helps with
> discussion and doesn’t drive any healthy debate.
>
>
>
> The other point is that if you have motions you really constrain the
> discussion to that topic. I’d prefer to provide a broad cross section of
> discussion around the entire Council’s work.
>
>
>
> With respect to transcription, once again I would ask why is it in place? Do
> we transcribe all our other meetings? Why is this one so special? I was
> thinking that if we move to a “workshop” style meeting that the transcription
> simply woudln;t be necessary.
>
>
>
> Once again, these are just my thoughts as I write (I am horribly jetlagged
> and not sure I am making any sense whatsoever!).
>
>
>
> Adrian Kinderis
> Chief Executive Officer
>
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> From: Liz Gasster [mailto:liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 12:20 PM
> To: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Adrian Kinderis
> Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'; Glen de Saint Géry
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Glen is investigating why Adrian’s post did not go through (thanks John for
> helping to identify this problem).
>
>
>
> Adrian – I would find it helpful for you to expand a bit on why you suggest
> that there not be a formal Council meeting, or motions, and that these
> meetings not be transcribed. I do understand your point about the need to
> facilitate greater community discussion during the public meetings. Are you
> saying that you think not having a formal council meeting (without motions or
> transcript) would help in that regard? Just seeking to understand…
>
>
>
> Thanks so much! Liz
>
>
>
> Ps. I’m also curious about “interpretive dance” in this context but I expect
> we’ll hear more on that! thanks again…
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:54 AM
> To: Adrian Kinderis
> Cc: 'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx'; Glen de Saint Géry
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting Team
>
>
>
> Yup.
>
>
>
> Berard
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting
> Team
> From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Date: Thu, July 07, 2011 7:29 am
> To: "'john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> '"
> <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >,
> 'Glen_de_Saint_Géry' <Glen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> Cc: "'gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx> '"
> <gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx> >
>
> Did everyone get this?
>
>
>
> Adrian Kinderis
> Chief Executive Officer
>
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> From: Adrian Kinderis
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2011 11:41 PM
> To: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
> Glen_de_Saint_Géry
> Cc: gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting
> Team
>
>
>
> Here is a few quick bulletpointed points;
>
>
>
> - The meeting should not be a formal Council meeting
>
> o No motions
>
> o It should not be transcribed
>
> - The meeting could be more an update of the work that has
> been/ is currently being completed since the last “public meeting”
>
> - Comments from the floor should be solicited continually
> through the meeting
>
> - WG’s should be encouraged to present their current issues/
> progress
>
> o They could solicit Council/ public input to any obstacles etc
>
> - Future motions could be discussed
>
> o This is where the good debate happens
>
> - A summary of the weekend sessions could be provided
>
> - Perhaps each stakeholder group could perform a short
> summary of who they are and what their current concerns are
>
>
>
> Does that help start with the thoughts.
>
>
>
> Not particularly sexy... but that will come in the way we go about
> performing the above (interpretive dance?)
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Adrian Kinderis
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> AusRegistry International Pty Ltd
> Level 8, 10 Queens Road
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> From: owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:owner-gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
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> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2011 8:41 PM
> To: Glen_de_Saint_Géry
> Cc: gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting Drafting
> Team
>
>
>
> Hey!
>
>
>
> Perhaps I can prime the pump by re-posting my initial thoughts when
> this effort was suggested.
>
>
>
> By "design," I was thinking of everything from the way we are
> arranged, in relation to each other and the public participants to shifting
> the organization of our work to get people to the mic earlier to using the
> speed of a consensus agenda (as does the Board) to help prioritize in a more
> responsive way.
>
>
>
> Feel free to pile on!
>
>
>
> Berard
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt] Open Council Meeting
> Drafting Team
> From: Glen_de_Saint_Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> Date: Thu, June 23, 2011 6:17 pm
> To: "gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx> "
> <gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:gnso-opencouncilmtg-dt@xxxxxxxxx> >
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> As agreed at the GNSO Council wrap-up meeting a small group
> has been formed to revise the format of the open Council meetings.
> The Open Council Meeting Drafting Team mailing list is up and
> running.
>
> As requested, the following people have been added to the list:
>
> Stéphane Van Gelder
> Adrian Kinderis
> Zahid Jamil"
> William Drake
> Mary Wong
> Jeff Neuman
> John Berard
>
> Please let me know whether you would like to be added to the
> drafting team.
> Thank you.
> Kind regards,
>
> Glen
>
> Glen de Saint Géry
> GNSO Secretariat
> gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org>
>
>
>
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