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RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support--lost

  • To: "Olga Cavalli" <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff Support--lost
  • From: "Julie Hedlund" <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:41:47 -0400

All,

Thank you for all your helpful comments!

As Chuck noted, while staff can direct the Work Team members to publicly 
available information, I was suggesting that it would be more useful for staff 
to get more direction from all Work Team members in order to produce a 
synthesis of available information (such as in a table, as S.S. noted) that is 
targeted to the requirements of each subtask, but which also is not duplicative 
of existing sources of information -- such as the GNSO Constituency Survey 
http://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/gnso-constituency-survey-report-28jan09-en.pdf.
 .  Thus, I think it would be helpful if we could consider Chuck's suggestion 
for staff support requests to be agreed by the Work Team as a whole.  In 
addition, once we have exhausted publicly available sources of information, we 
may need to turn to our constituency representatives on the Work Team to access 
information that may not be publicly available.

With a bit more direction on the specific scope of our work for the team I 
suggest that we will be able to assist all of you in a more efficient manner.

Best,

Julie
  -----Original Message-----
  From: olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Olga 
Cavalli
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:01 PM
  To: Victoria McEvedy
  Cc: Gomes, Chuck; sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work 
Team; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
  Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff 
Support--lost


  Hi,
  I agree with Chuck in relation with:

  "Staff doesn't need to make information available if it is already publicly 
available; I suspect you are simply asking them to provide pointers to the 
information.  Asking them to do a comparison by constituency of various 
elements of constituency charters may be useful but it will take considerable 
time and we should provide more direction in terms of what is desired. Also, it 
will not work if every member of the WT requests tasks from Staff; those 
requests need to be agreed to by the WT as a whole and communicated by the 
chair or alternate chair in the absence of the chair."

  Victoria, in relation with your email (attached as follows), could you please 
clarify it to me? I find difficulties in understanding your point.

  I suggest also that in relation with the discussions that we are having on 
the list, please let me know if you want to add specific points to the agenda 
which are not included in the present version.

  Best regards
  Olga



  2009/4/22 Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>



    As to the on-going channel, I will put a marker down on this one. I think 
we need to discuss. The constituency leaders already submitted their views in 
detail in the questionnaire.  We can solicit further information if need be 
–but it should be a pull (not push) effect and on precise and limited issues 
–otherwise our work would be replaced by a process of negotiation between the 
constituencies. I did not understand our function as to provide a forum for 
that –but rather to be a cross party team (including individuals) working 
together in a bi-partisan fashion to come up with some new recommendations for 
the new models.    





    Victoria McEvedy

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    From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
    Sent: 22 April 2009 14:34
    To: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx


    Cc: OSC-CSG Work Team; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
    Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff 
Support--lost



    One of the main purposes of having representatives from every constituency 
on the CSG WT is to provide an ongoing channel of communication between the WT 
and the constituencies.  Those representatives should be the primary avenue 
used to get input from constituencies.  In many cases, the reps will be able to 
provide needed information without going back to their constituencies; in other 
cases, they may have to seek direct input on specific issues raised by the WT.  
Let's not put unreasonable expectations on Staff.



    SS - Staff doesn't need to make information available if it is already 
publicly available; I suspect you are simply asking them to provide pointers to 
the information.  Asking them to do a comparison by constituency of various 
elements of constituency charters may be useful but it will take considerable 
time and we should provide more direction in terms of what is desired. Also, it 
will not work if every member of the WT requests tasks from Staff; those 
requests need to be agreed to by the WT as a whole and communicated by the 
chair or alternate chair in the absence of the chair.



    Chuck




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      From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of SS Kshatriy
      Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:37 AM
      To: jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx
      Cc: OSC-CSG Work Team; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
      Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff 
Support--lost

            Dear Julie,

            I will differ from you on this subject.

            What I mean was that Staff should make available the information 
that is publically available, in the form I asked for. Constituency 
representatives will come into play only when some additional information is 
sought.



            best,

            SS

            --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Julie Hedlund <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

              From: Julie Hedlund <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>
              Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- Staff 
Support--lost
              To: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx
              Cc: "OSC-CSG Work Team" <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>, "Glen de Saint 
Géry" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, "Rob Hoggarth" <robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>
              Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 6:14 PM

               

              Dear S.S.,



              I apologize for not responding sooner to your request concerning 
staff support, but I have been in meetings all day and was unable to respond 
until now.



              I would like to suggest that we discuss the issue of staff 
support during Friday's call in relation to the following agenda item:



              "How to exchange information about constituencies in relations to 
subtasks"



              The reason for my suggestion is that I think it could be helpful 
to learn from the Work Team members who represent constituencies how best to 
exchange information concerning their constituencies' current practices 
relating to each of the subtasks, that is: "participation rules, operating 
principles, and database of members."  I suggest that this information exchange 
would facilitate input from a broad range of constituencies as the Work Team 
develops its recommendations for each subtask, and.help ICANN staff in meeting 
requests for staff support for each subtask in a more efficient manner, 



              Thank you very much,



              Julie

                -----Original Message-----
                From: SS Kshatriy [mailto:sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx]
                Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:22 PM
                To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
                Cc: Michael Young; Gomes, Chuck; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- 
Staff Support--lost

                      Dear Olga,

                      My request for Staff Support got lost in the discussions.

                      SS

                      --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

                        From: Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support
                        To: "Victoria McEvedy" <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
                        Cc: "Michael Young" <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Gomes, 
Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx, "OSC-CSG Work Team" 
<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>, "Julie Hedlund" <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Glen de 
Saint Géry" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, "Rob Hoggarth" <robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>
                        Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:48 PM

                        Dear Victoria,
                        do you have a specific proposal on how to proceed?
                        Perhaps you can share it with us in the list and have a 
previous discussion before Friday´s call in order to use our time more 
efficiently.
                        Best 
                        Olga

                        2009/4/21 Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>

                        No one is suggesting that we would direct. Putting a 
marker down and asking for clarification are hardly directing anyone. 



                        My own concern is not to be involved in an exercise of 
going through the motions for forms sake only. 



                        Either the Board will wait for us or it will not ---in 
which case we should cease work.    



                        We are tasked with recommending implementing the BGC’s 
recommendations (which are at the highest level surely)–which deal with 
participation. 



                        Participation is governed by the charters.  Our work 
goes directly to the charters. 



                        We must resolve this debate. As I said –if there is a 
carve out –we must identify it/agree what it is. 





                        Victoria McEvedy

                        Principal 

                        McEvedys

                        Solicitors and Attorneys 





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                        London 

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                        From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
                        Sent: 21 April 2009 21:30
                        To: 'Gomes, Chuck'; Victoria McEvedy; 'Olga Cavalli' 


                        Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; 'OSC-CSG Work Team'; 'Julie 
Hedlund'; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; 'Rob Hoggarth'
                        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support



                        I think it bears discussion at our meeting. 



                        I am not sure that its within our scope to be directing 
the Board on how it manages its charter approvals.  I tend to think that the 
charters are high level enough that they should not conflict with our 
recommendations.  If they happen to, I am sure there will be an effort to 
reconcile charters in conflict.  None of the stakeholder/constituencies are 
going to want to be singled out as conflicted with our recommendations and they 
all have the ability to amend their charters and resubmit to the Board for 
approval.



                        Best Regards,



                        Michael Young



                        From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
                        Sent: April-21-09 4:19 PM
                        To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
                        Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support



                        Maybe there will be time in our call on Friday to 
discuss this further.



                        Chuck




------------------------------------------------------

                          From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:04 PM
                          To: Gomes, Chuck; Olga Cavalli
                          Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                          Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support

                        Ok thanks Chuck –I think we have the very heart of the 
issue here. 



                        The word operational –does not detract from that fact 
that (as I keep saying) these issues are in fact, very important and 
substantive (ie not procedural and not about “admission templates”). 



                        The BGC’s recommendations were substantive. The issues 
as to participation are substantive. I have already made these points.



                        If there is some carve out from our work –could someone 
please tell me what it is and where it comes from. Otherwise our reference is 
surely the BGC’s report and recommendations. 



                        There are many vested interests are concerned to see 
the status quo preserved, and reducing our work to “templates” would suit them 
just fine. 



                        We need to resolve this. It’s a key issue. We need to 
go back to the Board for formal answers about timing of its approvals, the 
current charters etc and our work.  



                        Regards, 



                        Victoria McEvedy

                        Principal 

                        McEvedys

                        Solicitors and Attorneys 





                        96 Westbourne Park Road 

                        London 

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                        From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
                        Sent: 21 April 2009 20:50
                        To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
                        Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support



                        Thanks for clarifying Victoria.  Please note my 
responses below.



                        Chuck




------------------------------------------------------

                          From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
                          Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:38 PM
                          To: Gomes, Chuck; Olga Cavalli
                          Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                          Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support

                      I’m sure none of us --who are volunteering our time 
--want to make recommendations that are too late to have any impact. 



                      If the Board proceeds to approve the charters and/or 
constituencies before it now without our input –what is the point? 
                      [Gomes, Chuck] In my opinion, the charters shouldn't 
contain much operational detail but should be at a higher level.  If I am wrong 
and we recommend something that goes against our recommendation, then that will 
have to be fixed later.  I would like to think that the Board will catch any 
major problems before they approve charters.  I think it is safe to assume that 
the Board will be looking for any deviances from their recommendations so they 
shouldn't approve a charter that has any such deviances.  Our task is to 
develop recommendations for implementing the Board recommendations, so if all 
of us are using the same base (the Board Recommendations), we should be okay.   



                      If there is a formal way to ask them to wait and/or put a 
marker down that they ought to have our recommendations –then we should use it. 
                      [Gomes, Chuck] What would we ask them to delay? 



                      At present the SG’s contain the old constituencies so the 
point remains I think. Until we see something new we are working with the old 
models? 
                      [Gomes, Chuck] Like I said above, the main basis of our 
work is the Board recommendations, not old or new models.  As we do that 
though, we will try to get lots of input from existing and new constituencies 
and under-formation SGs so that our implementation recommendations address 
varying needs while at the same time accommodating the Board recommendations.   



                      Regards, 



                      Victoria McEvedy

                      Principal 

                      McEvedys

                      Solicitors and Attorneys 





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                      From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
                      Sent: 21 April 2009 20:31
                      To: Victoria McEvedy; Olga Cavalli
                      Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                      Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support



                      Victoria,



                      I don't believe there is any pending actions on the part 
of the Board that impacts our work on the CSG WT.  They already approved the 
bicameral Council model with 4 SGs.  That is why we need to focus on SG 
operations as well as Constituency Operations.



                      Maybe I don't understand you question Victoria.



                      Chuck




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                        From: Victoria McEvedy [mailto:victoria@xxxxxxxxxx] 
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:26 PM
                        To: Olga Cavalli; Gomes, Chuck
                        Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support 

                      Chuck and Olga and Team, 



                      Is there a formal way of politely asking the Board to 
wait for our recommendations in these regards? 



                      Best, 





                      Victoria McEvedy

                      Principal 

                      McEvedys

                      Solicitors and Attorneys 





                      96 Westbourne Park Road 

                      London 

                      W2 5PL



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                      From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olga Cavalli
                      Sent: 21 April 2009 18:36
                      To: Gomes, Chuck
                      Cc: sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx; OSC-CSG Work Team; Julie 
Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; Rob Hoggarth
                      Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call- Staff Support



                      Thanks Chuck,
                      I agree with your comments.
                      Regards
                      Olga 

                      2009/4/21 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

                      SS



                      The CSG WT will need to deal with both constituency 
operations and stakeholder group operations.  The original draft charter 
focused solely on constituencies because the stakeholder group element had not 
yet been fully developed.  As I think you are aware, the SG charters are still 
being developed but I think proposed charters are available for review; none of 
them have been approved by the Board yet, nor have any of the constituency 
renewal requests been approved yet to my knowldege.



                      Chuck




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                        From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of SS Kshatriy
                        Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:39 AM
                        To: OSC-CSG Work Team; Olga Cavalli
                        Cc: Olga Cavalli; Julie Hedlund; Glen de Saint Géry; 
Rob Hoggarth
                        Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference call- 
Staff Support

                            Dear Olga,

                            Good to hear from you about next conference call.

                            1. I will need comparative statement of 
'participation rules and operating procedures', followed by various 
constituencies in a tabulated/summarized form from the staff and also any other 
material they have prepared to support the work.



                            2. language of subtask 1.1 still remains to be 
resolved--constituency or Stakeholder group?



                            regards,

                            SS

                            --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Olga Cavalli 
<olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

                              From: Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                              Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Next steps and conference 
call
                              To: "OSC-CSG Work Team" <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
                              Cc: "Olga Cavalli" <olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"Julie Hedlund" <jahedlund@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Glen de Saint Géry" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"Rob Hoggarth" <robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>
                              Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:51 AM 

                              Dear Work Team members,



                              In preparation for our next meeting on Friday, 
April 24, at 1300 UTC, I would like to remind you of our action items and 
suggest an agenda for the meeting. 

                              First, for our action items ICANN staff 
circulated a revised Draft Task 1 Work Plan 
(https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_operations_team).  Many 
of you provided comments and agreed to participate as follows:



                              1.     Develop recommendations for a set of 
participation rules and operating procedures, which all constituencies should 
abide by

                              Lead: 
                              S.S. Kshatriya - Individual

                              Participants: 
                              Victoria McEvedy - Intellectual Property 
Interests Constituency 
                              Rafik Dammak - Non-Commercial Users Constituency



                              2.     Develop recommendations for clear 
operating principles for each constituency to ensure that all constituencies 
function in a representative, open, transparent, and democratic manner

                              Lead: 
                              Victoria McEvedy - Intellectual Property 
Interests Constituency

                              Participants: 
                              Olga Cavalli - Nominating Committee Appointee 
                              Rafik Dammak - Non-Commercial Users Constituency



                              3.     Develop recommendations for creating and 
maintaining a database of all constituency members and others not formally a 
part of any constituency that is up-to-date and publicly accessible.

                              Lead: 
                              Krista Papac - Registrar Constituency

                              Participants: 
                              Tony Harris - Internet Service and Connectivity 
Providers Constituency



                              4.     Develop a "toolkit" of in-kind staff 
support and/or services for all constituencies 

                                     
                              Lead: 
                              Julie Hedlund - ICANN staff

                              Participants: 
                              Chuck Gomes - gTLD Registries Constituency



                              I suggest that we review the Work Plan so that we 
can be prepared to discuss it on Friday's call.  

                              In particular, I think it would be useful for all 
of us to consider how we might exchange information about constituencies in 
relation to the subtasks.  

                              Also, in our last meeting we agreed that it will 
be very important to have input from all constituencies as we develop the 
recommendations for these subtasks.  Thus far, not all constituencies are 
represented and it could be very much convenient that all of them participate 
actively in this process.



                              Finally, here is a draft agenda for Friday's 
meeting.  Please feel free to suggest any changes or additions.



                              Meeting Agenda



                              1.  Call to order/roll call

                              2.  Draft Task 1 Work Plan

                                  a.  Participants from constituencies that are 
not represented

                                  b.  How to exchange information about 
constituencies in relations to subtasks

                                  c.  First steps and schedule for draft 
sub-team recommendations

                              3.  Any other business



                              Thank you and I look forward to meeting with you 
on Friday.



                              Best regards,



                              Olga
                           




                     
           




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