Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting

["Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>]

Its not a matter of status quo or any interest. It will be a logistical 
challenge just to implement such a situation.




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From: Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:13:16 
To: zahid@xxxxxxxxx<zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; Papac, 
Krista<Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>; Rafik 
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Cc: Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting

But is our mission to recreate or justify the status quo?



It seems we may have lost sight of the BGC's aims here.



If the recommendations are to be no more than everyone can do their own thing 
as long as they record it in their charters ----we have wasted a great deal of 
time and effort.





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Sent: 18 March 2010 22:04
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Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting



I agree with Krista. The BC similarly has varying term limits of EC compared to 
Councillors -we even have variance in between councillors.







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From: "Papac, Krista" <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:35:37 -0400

To: Rafik Dammak<rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>

Cc: Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>

Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi Meeting



Hello Rafik,



I do not think EC term limits have to consistent with GNSO term limits.  In 
fact, in the RrSG our current term limits are different than our GNSO term 
limits.  RrSG EC term limits are one-year terms, with a consecutive three-year 
restriction in the same office.  I think it is widely accepted that GNSO 
Councilors serve two-year terms, but elected EC officials vary.  Sometimes it 
is difficult to get an EC official to commit for such a lengthy term - and at 
the end of the day, I feel any and all term limits should be as set out in the 
Charter of the GROUP.  Although, since the GNSO Councilor office affects 
most/all GROUPS I can see a need for a consistent policy there.



I hope that helps.



Thanks,

Krista



Krista Papac
Iron Mountain Digital
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From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:01 AM
To: Papac, Krista
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi Meeting



Hello Krista,





do you think that EC shouldn't comply to term limitations which is applied to 
GNSO council itself?



Rafik

2010/3/15 Papac, Krista 
<Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

All,



Here are my suggested changes to Part II, Section 4a.  Additions are bracketed 
in red capital letters and deletions are stricken through in red.



4. Elections

a. All  {GROUP} {CHARTERS SHALL CLEARLY DELINEATE HOW) {ELECTED POSITIONS}, 
including representatives to Stakeholder Group {EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES} and the 
GNSO Council, shall {BE ELECTED, WHAT THE TERM LIMITS ARE FOR EACH POSITION, 
AND MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} have a maximum two year limit and a maximum of two 
consecutive terms {IN THAT  THE SAME POSITION}. {ANY OTHER PROCEDURES RELATED 
TO ELECTIONS OR EXCEPTIONS TO ELECTION PROCEDURES MUST ALSO BE DESCRIBED IN THE 
GROUP CHARTER.}  An Officer who has served two consecutive terms must remain 
out of office for one full term prior to serving any subsequent term {IN THAT 
SAME POSITION   {GROUPS}  MAY} elect terms and term limits below these maximums 
at their discretion. {WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES DEMAND EXCEPTIONS TO THIS REQUIREMENT. 
EXCEPTIONS MAY ONLY BE MADE WITH SUPPORT FROM TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF THE 
MEMBERSHIP.}
b. It is recommended {GOING FORWARD} that  {GROUPS} publish and maintain a list 
of all Office holders, past and present, { {GROUP} members and to provide 
transparency for term limits.



I also want to comment on Part II, Section 1c.  I believe we may have closed 
this section out, but since I was unable to make the calls due to the 
reschedule time I am providing my comment to the WT in hopes we can make a 
change.  This section (pasted below) refers to Executive Committees and term 
limits.  From the perspective of the RrSG, this section should also refer to 
the Group Charter, rather than dictating what term limits are. I have suggested 
changes below.  Additions are bracketed in red capital letters and deletions 
are stricken through in red.



1. Executive Committees:

a. All Executive Committees must promptly publish action points, decisions and 
any resolutions to constituency members. It is recommended that prompt 
publication means within a reasonable period and a guideline is between 72 
hours and 1 week of the relevant meeting.
b. All Executive Committees must publish to constituency members their rules 
and procedures, decision making process and criteria.
c. A limit of two years per term and a maximum {NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE} of two 
terms per office being a total maximum of four years in any office (hereafter 
Term Limits) shall apply to members of Executive Committees {AND MUST BE 
DESCRIBED IN THE GROUP CHARTER}. {GROUP CHARTERS MUST ALSO HAVE PROCEDURES FOR 
REELECTING MEMBERS} A member who has  {HAVE} served two {THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} 
consecutive terms on the Executive Committee must remain out of office for one 
full term prior to serving any subsequent term as a member of the Executive 
Committee {IN THE SAME POSITION). {ANY EXCEPTION TO THIS POLICY WOULD REQUIRE 
APPROVAL BY THE MEMBERSHIP.} {MUST ALSO BE OUTLINED IN THE GROUP CHARTER.}



Thank you,

Krista



Krista Papac
Iron Mountain Digital
5530 Bandini Blvd
Bell, CA  90201  US
Home Office: +1.714.846.8780
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[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:21 AM
To: gnso-osc-csg


Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi Meeting



Dear Work Team members,



Here are the actions/summary from yesterday's meeting.  Please let me know if 
you have any changes or questions.  Our next meeting will be held next Friday, 
26 March at 1300 UTC/0600 PST/0900 EST for one hour.  The actions and summary 
are included on the wiki at: 
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_operations_team.  Final 
agreed-upon changes to the Task 1, Subtask 1 document are on the wiki at: 
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_stakeholder_group_operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_1
 and the Task 1, Subtask 2 document at: 
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_and_stake_holder_group_operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_2.
  Changes are shown in ALL CAPS, strikeout, and curly brackets.  Thank you very 
much.

Best regards,

Julie

Action Items:
1. Work Team members are requested to review the "Revised Language in Task 1, 
Subtask 2 through the end of Part II, Section 8 and provide any comments by the 
next meeting on Friday 26 March.
2. Section 4 Elections Paragraph a: Krista Papac agreed to suggest alternate 
language.
3. Section 5 Voting:

*       Paragraph a and b: Mary Wong and Zahid Jamil are requested to review 
the revised language.
*       New paragraph d: Work Team members are requested to consider and 
comment on the language.

4. Section 8 Policy:

*       Paragraph a: Victoria McEvedy is requested to provide clarification on 
the meaning of the statement.
*       Paragraph d: Mary Wong is requested to provide alternate language for 
Work Team consideration.


Summary:

*       Task 1, Subtask 1: Work Team members agreed to the final version of the 
revised recommendations.
*       Task 1, Subtask 2: Work Team members reviewed and discussed changes 
through Part II, Section 8 Policy.

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