RE: [gnso-osc] FW: CCT Report II

["Mason Cole" <masonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Robin -

 

Let me address your point as chair of the CCT.  Our team certainly did not 
ignore anyone's objections; to the contrary, we carefully reviewed all parts of 
the OSC's input.  I may be confused, as I understood while there was a level of 
objection to the section you're talking about, the OSC as a whole hashed this 
out and while there was some level of disagreement, decided to leave an amended 
version in.

 

For the record, the "civility" language comes directly from ICANN's Standards 
of Behavior - the CCT didn't create any new standard nor is it recommending 
anything beyond the community being aware of it and reminded from time to time, 
as appropriate.  I note the Board very recently (11 Feb) ratified these 
principles in a resolution: https://omblog.icann.org/?p=252.  

 

"It is hereby RESOLVED (2010.02.04.16) that the Board affirms that all 
participants in ICANN are expected to adhere to the Expected Standards of 
Behavior as published in the ICANN Accountability & Transparency: Frameworks 
and Principles, found at: 
http://www.icann.org/en/transparency/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08.pdf.
  

 

It is further RESOLVED (2010.02.04.17) that the Board requests that the CEO 
direct ICANN Staff to provide at least annual reminders of the Expected 
Standards of Behavior to the membership of ICANN's supporting organizations and 
advisory committees, and to consider the other proposals by the Ombudsman to 
enhance civility. "

 

I went back and reviewed the discussion thread on this from December, and see 
several references to the ombudsman with regard to encouraging civility.  The 
CCT's thinking on this issue had little, if anything, to do with the ombudsman 
or its function - merely our observation was that a) at times there is a 
breakdown in civility in the community, b) there's a stated and valued standard 
of behavior that addresses civility, and c) it's helpful to continue to 
encourage civil discourse.  That's all.  

 

I do see in the board's resolution a reference to the ombudsman (to consider 
other proposals by that office to enhance civility) but the CCT did not 
actively factor that into its recommendations.  We're simply underlining the 
fact that ICANN values civility, that sometimes exchanges are difficult or 
combative, and as ICANN's workload grows, it's helpful to remember to treat one 
another well in the course of our work.  We did not want to clutter that 
message with anything else, really, including the ombudsman.

 

The CCT agrees that civility is also a matter of setting an example.  But our 
job was to evaluate GNSO communications, and we found an area that needed to be 
addressed with reminders of ICANN's official standards, and we did so.  So, 
with all possible civility : ), I would tell you we firmly believe this is a 
useful and necessary part of the report. 

 

I hope that's helpful.

 

Mason Cole

CCT Chair

 

 

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From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:50 PM
To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc] FW: CCT Report II

 

It is entirely inappropriate for this provision to remain in this document 
given the stated lack of consensus on it.

 

This working group cannot just ignore NCSG's stated objection and continue to 
keep the provision in the consensus document when there is, in fact, no 
consensus behind it.

 

Robin

 

 

 

On Mar 18, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Avri Doria wrote:





 

I am reminded that the NCSG did object to this in an earlier version.  

 

http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-osc/msg00267.html

 

The fact that it remains, may be more of a problem then I originally felt.

 

a.

 

On 18 Mar 2010, at 15:06, Avri Doria wrote:

 

         

        Hi,

         

        With the exception of the section on civilty i am fine with the 
document.

         

        I do not think discussions or recommendations on civility belongs in 
the document and see it as just a pean to the ombudsman.   I think civility is 
something that is taught by example and not by words, proclamations and board 
resolutions.  But since no one from the NCSG participated in the group and I 
know I am in a minority on this issue, I am just pointing it out and not 
objecting to the document on this basis. 

         

        I agree with passing it on.

         

        a.

         

         

         

        On 18 Mar 2010, at 13:53, Ken Stubbs wrote:

         

                Ken Stubbs wrote:

                I agree with Ron here and support this going fwd to the council

                 

                 

                 

                On 3/18/2010 12:04 PM, Ron Andruff wrote:

                        I, too, support this document going forward to Council. 
 Your comments within the document vis-à-vis OSC review work for me, Chuck.

                         

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                        From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck

                        Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:19 PM

                        To: Gomes, Chuck; gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx

                        Subject: RE: [gnso-osc] FW: CCT Report II

                         

                        To get discussion going on this, I attached a version 
of this document with my comments highlighted.  As I say in my first comment, 
this is a very good report and my impression is that the OSC could make some 
minor modifications of it and it could be ready to go.

                         

                        Chuck

                         

                        From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck

                        Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:09 PM

                        To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx

                        Subject: [gnso-osc] FW: CCT Report II

                         

                        As promised, here is Section II of the CCT 
Recommendations for review and consideration by the OSC.

                         

                        Chuck

                         

                        From: Mason Cole [mailto:masonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 

                        Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 7:22 PM

                        To: Gomes, Chuck

                        Cc: Ken Bour; julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx; Scott Pinzon

                        Subject: CCT Report II

                         

                        Chuck -

                         

                        I'm pleased to forward the second part of the CCT's 
recommendations on communications and coordination.  The CCT met last week to 
review the final draft and we're ready to turn it over to the OSC for 
consideration.

                         

                        I'm happy to discuss this with you in Reston at the 
venue there.

                         

                        Special thanks to Ken, Julie and Scott, all of whom did 
a wonderful job supporting this team.

                         

                        Thanks -

                         

                        Mason

                 

         

         

 

 

 

 

 

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