RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] two real-world examples of PEDNR problems

["Berry Cobb" <berrycobb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Team,

I am not sure if you guys read the entire page.  The owner of the domain 
responded in the blog string.  The domain never even expired. For SOME reason, 
Moniker posted the domain up for auction and people were bidding up to $20K on 
it.  The Registrant just happened upon seeing the domain offered for auction.  
He contacted Moniker and it took them 2 days to take it down.  Within that time 
frame the auction went as high as $20K.  Here is at least a link to some 
evidence of the publicity.
http://domainnamewire.com/2010/01/14/snapnames-finally-hits-the-mark-in-showcase-auction/

MHB is affiliated with "TheDomains.com" and wrote the blog post that Mikey sent 
us.  His angle is attacking the fact that a number of domains were showing up 
for auction when the Registrant never let the domain expire nor intended the 
domain to go to auction.

Now what does start to come in scope of PEDNER is back in 2004/2005.  The 
domain at the time owned by K.A Tech somehow expired 12/22/04, it was picked up 
in the drop by TopNames and then ownership transferred to Telepathy Inc. on 
1/22/05.  I did not find any notices of sale at DNJournal, so it never made the 
press.  In the course of a month, ownership changed hands on a 3 letter dot com 
name. I am not saying anything bad happened here, but noting the fact that this 
is the kind of scenario where Registrants can lose domain names 
unintentionally, and ownership changes hand quickly without recovery to 
original owner.  K.A. Tech owned the name since at least 2001 if not as long as 
1996.

There is probably more to this onion to peel, as I only looked at this for 
about 20 minutes.

I will dive in to the first case, and let you know if I find anything.

Thx. B


Berry A. Cobb
Infinity Portals LLC
866.921.8891

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 20:11
To: Tim Ruiz
Cc: PEDNR; Mike O'Connor
Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] two real-world examples of PEDNR problems


Agree.

The first case presents a concrete example where an RAE missed more than
"adequate opportunity" to renew and redeem an expired name.  And the
second is a good example of an auction service protecting & preserving
rights of the RAE to redeem.

J.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] two real-world examples of PEDNR problems
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, January 16, 2010 12:17 pm
To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "PEDNR" <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>


Not sure thee are PEDNR type problems Mike. In the first case it looks
like the name went all the way the through the renew grace period and
redemption grace period before they woke up. If someone ignores or
doesn't renew until the name becomes available again, that's a different
issue.

In the second case, SnapNames' process worked for the RAE. When they
realized it had expired they were able to renew and recover the name. So
no recovery problem there, right?

Tim 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gnso-pednr-dt] two real-world examples of PEDNR problems
From: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, January 16, 2010 9:58 am
To: PEDNR <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>


funny how you get "attuned" to things when you're working on them. here
are a couple of real-life examples.

this first one is a great example of the degree of confusion that
exists. the city of Morehead, Kentucky lost their domain on the drop --
and they're accusing the buyer of cyber-squatting. 

http://www.themoreheadnews.com/local/local_story_015125424.html

in a second example, the domain kat.com was pulled from a SnapNames
auction -- bidding had reached $20k. i'm guessing here -- i bet the RAE
woke up and got their name renewed post-expiry, thus short-circuiting
the auction.

http://www.thedomains.com/2010/01/15/kat-com-is-pulled-out-of-snapnames-com-monthly-auction-with-a-high-bid-of-almost-20k/

food for thought.

mikey


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