Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] another data-point

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You also do not know what is in the hosting providers billing system. Whois is 
not always the answer ....

Mr. Michele Neylon
Blacknight
http://Blacknight.tel

Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity

On 22 Sep 2010, at 18:48, "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> One of the problems with these type of anecdotes is that the writer does
> not know the nature of the business arrangement and/or applicable
> agreement. It has been fairly common (although more so in the past) that
> a hosting company bundle a domain with it's hosting. If you cancel the
> hosting or don't renew it, you could also lose the domain. There is
> nothing wrong with that legally, policy wise, etc., and it in no way
> necessarily means the hosting provider is deficient in it's service or
> trying to pull anything underhanded.
> 
> Tim
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [gnso-pednr-dt] another data-point
> > From: "Mike O'Connor" 
> > Date: Wed, September 22, 2010 10:28 am
> > To: "PEDNR (gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx)" 
> > 
> > i know, i know, we don't have any data.  we just have stories.  here's 
> > another story for the pile...
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> > http://www.elliotsblog.com/hosting-companies-should-not-be-listed-as-domain-owner-for-clients-6360
> > 
> > Hosting Companies Should Not Be Listed as Domain Owner for Clients
> > By Elliot Silver
> > I was looking through some upcoming NameJet dropping domain auctions via 
> > FreshDrop,
> > and I noticed something that I found to be appalling. Hosting companies
> > either dropping the ball on renewals or not doing enough to help their 
> > current or former customers with their domain name assets.
> > I generally do a historical Whois search for domain names I might 
> > have an interest in bidding on at auction. From this, I can see who 
> > previously owned it and try to figure out why they either didn�t find 
> > the domain name valuable enough to keep or why the domain name may have 
> > been allowed to expire.
> > On four consecutive searches today, I saw that the previous 
> > registrant email was a hosting company. What this means to me is that 
> > the hosting company didn�t pay the renewal bill either because they 
> > didn�t realize it needed to be renewed, their client no longer works 
> > with the company, or, probably the least likely of the bunch, the client
> > no longer wanted the domain name.
> > Since these were very good domain names I searched, it�s unlikely 
> > that the client simply opted to not renew the domain name. Another 
> > unlikely thing is that the hosting company dropped the ball. I presume 
> > they manage other domain names and they would certainly get emails, so 
> > it�s unlikely they simply forgot because there would be some severe 
> > liability for that I would think.
> > What is likely in my opinion is that the client no longer works with 
> > the hosting company, and the hosting company didn�t feel compelled to 
> > let the client know their domain name was going to expire. They probably
> > just didn�t feel like going through the effort of ensuring a safe 
> > transfer. Instead, since they didn�t have orders to renew the domain 
> > name, and since they wouldn�t be compensated for renewing it without 
> > those orders, they took the easy way out and just let the domain names 
> > expire.
> > Of course it�s the client�s job to keep tabs on its assets. However, I
> > think it�s irresponsible or a hosting company to register a domain name
> > on behalf of a client and keep the Whois information in the name of the
> > company � specifically the registrant email where renewal notices are 
> > sent. If a relationship ends, the hosting company shouldn�t have to pay 
> > for a former client�s renewals, but the responsibility shouldn�t become 
> > theirs either.
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