Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Comments on GoDaddy data and proposal

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

While I fully understand the idea behind this there are a couple of issues with 
it

Based on our own experiences a LOT of people use an alternate email address 
when they register a domain name. Unfortunately in many cases they abandon that 
email address at some point, but never bother updating it in the system. If the 
email address doesn't even bounce there's no way of knowing that the email 
address is no longer being checked and with free email services giving away so 
much disk space these days the old "mailbox full" type error isn't even going 
to work 

(FYI this is the same for hosting accounts as it is for domains)

Making something like this mandatory would cause a lot of headaches if you have 
resellers (which a lot of registrars do).. unless you change your entire API so 
that the extra contact point is mandatory, but I can see that causing a lot of 
headaches and simply not working ...




On 10 Jan 2011, at 19:37, James M. Bladel wrote:

> 
> Agree, and this is similar to an idea that we discussed early on in the
> PEDNR effort:  The idea that at least one contact email cannot be
> "self-referencing" the same domain name.  But I support Jeff's
> recommendation that this should be (and in fact, is already) a best
> practice for registrars.  
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Comments on GoDaddy data and proposal
> From: Jeff Eckhaus <eckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, January 10, 2011 1:20 pm
> To: Michael Young <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Mike O'Connor"
> <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'PEDNR'" <gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> This is a program that we have in place at eNom and have found it to be
> successful, when the registrant enters in the supplemental information.
> There are many people who chose to leave this field blank, which is
> their
> choice and that is OK. I am not OK making this a requirement which I do
> not believe is part Michael's proposal, but just want to be clear if
> that
> is brought up
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/10/11 11:08 AM, "Michael Young" <myoung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Guys here's a thought on a possible compromise that might add value.
>> 
>> Mikey and I had extensive conversations and noted that darkening a name
>> (by
>> a mandatory policy) can solve for one edge case but actually can create an
>> equivalent amount of harm to other registrants. So unfortunately at the
>> end
>> of the day you may have saved a small amount of registrants from losing a
>> domain, but you likely just caused service interruption to an equal number
>> of registrants (or greater) that would never have suffered it otherwise.
>> So
>> no net gain with mandatory policies that darken the domain.
>> 
>> 
>> The real goal is getting the attention of the registrant.
>> 
>> An idea:
>> 
>> Perhaps a reasonable alternative would be that registrars, at the time of
>> registration, consistently request a backup/emergency contact that also
>> gets
>> notified during the expiration process. That contact mechanism would have
>> to be at the registrar's operational discretion since it would need to
>> support automation. It could be something like a cell number for texting,
>> it could be something like an email address that CANNOT BE in the
>> registered
>> domain, but is something more/different than the standard registrant
>> contact
>> object. This contact would explicitly not be a registry contact object,
>> it
>> would be a matter between the registrar and the registrant for backup
>> communication during the expiration process.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Michael Young
>> 
>> M:+1-647-289-1220
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: January-10-11 1:22 PM
>> To: Alan Greenberg
>> Cc: PEDNR
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Comments on GoDaddy data and proposal
>> 
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> i'm finally fully back into the regular routine after a great trip through
>> South America and the usual holiday madness.
>> 
>> here's where i'm at;
>> 
>> -- Berry dragged me through the data and i realized that the data wasn't
>> telling me what i thought it was -- so i'm less enthusiastic about 10 days
>> than i was in Cartagena.
>> 
>> -- i want a clear signal sent to the world (not just the registrant) that
>> the domain has expired and sufficient time for the registrant to respond
>> to
>> that signal.
>> 
>> -- i'm willing to listen to ideas other than "the domain going dark" as
>> the
>> signal, but i remain deeply skeptical of any signal that is sent based on
>> contact information, or sent by the same channels that have failed in the
>> past.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> In preparation for our meeting tomorrow, I would appreciate you
>>> forwarding
>> and comments to the list prior to the meeting.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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