RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and blackout

["James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mikey:

With all due respect to a fellow Midwesterner, this is really off-base. 


The package of "compromise proposals" was the work of (among others)
Paul and I, and we worked closely with other registrars to ensure that
their concerns were addressed.  We chipped away at the margins until
finally, in Cartagena, they were effectively killed off.  So it may be
fair to say that this approach wasn't successful, but it is not accurate
to say that registrars are not bringing constructive ideas to the table.

When I first started getting involved with ICANN PDPs, a wise man
cautioned me not to jump in and try to solve everything, because it
would only frustrate me and those around me.  I wish I had listened more
closely to that advice, because my attempts to broker a solution in this
(and another) PDP WG means I'm now repairing bridges to folks around the
community, including (especially) other registrars.

This PDP is a case-study of how the Perfect can become the enemy of the
Good.  We've discussed all the issues at length and, despite fundamental
disagreements on the existence, nature, and severity of the problem, I
thought we had some -Good- ideas.  They weren't Perfect, but they would
close some of the common renewal gaps and put us in a better position to
revisit this issue at some point in the future.  

But some on this group should consider that registrar operations are
imprecise, especially when our customer base is as large as a
medium-sized country.  It's akin to eating oatmeal with a fork:  we do
our utmost to serve everyone, but some will not operate according to our
best-intentioned "flowcharts."  For every registrant that misses a
renewal notification, another is turning us in to a spam "blacklist" for
having received too many reminders.  For every customer that is
desperate to recover a name, another views registrations as disposable
or speculative.  

A customer-focused registrar threads these needles every day, and the
good ones prosper and win the customers of those who don't.  They have a
supportive, rather than adversarial, relationship with ICANN, because we
need policies that are both enforceable -and- practical. But I just
don't see PEDNR tracking on this path.


J.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal
period and blackout
From: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, January 17, 2011 8:32 pm
To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: masonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx,
gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx


how about a little positive **help** here instead of this constant
refrain of "NO!" from registrars. or have all of you just gone on
strike, on all working groups, at the same time?

just one tiny constructive suggestion? pleeeeeaaaze?

mikey


On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:

> Mason and Team:
> 
> I tend to agree. In fact, this could generate even more confusion for
> registrants, especially those who are unclear on what will happen to
> their names upon expiry. 
> 
> Thanks-
> 
> J.
> 
> -----
> James M. Bladel
> 
> jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent via iPad, using the free app from GoDaddy.com
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal
> > period and blackout
> > From: "Mason Cole" 
> > Date: Mon, January 17, 2011 6:26 pm
> > To: "Alan Greenberg" , "PEDNR"
> > 
> > 
> > Alan --
> > 
> > I have to say that I don't know how this could be engineered into
> > registrar systems, implemented, complied with and enforced as policy by
> > ICANN. I don't know how it would reasonably be explained to our
> > customers in a way they could understand. I don't even think I
> > understand it myself.
> > 
> > Please take my input as polite and constructive, as it's intended. I
> > just don't believe, based on operational experience, that these kinds of
> > engineering minutiae will add clarity or prevent unintended losses.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:39 PM
> > To: PEDNR
> > Subject: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period
> > and blackout
> > 
> > 
> > As discussed during our last meeting, here is a proposal that may 
> > satisfy the needs of registrars while still meeting the "blackout" 
> > requirement that many users feel is needed.
> > 
> > Note that I personally am still not accepting the 10-day period 
> > proposed by James, but I am interested in trying to close the other 
> > differences that we have and perhaps this proposal will help move us 
> > in the right direction.
> > 
> > I have thought about this proposal a fair amount since our meeting, 
> > and what follows is a bit different from what I proposed then. This 
> > difference, I believe, will allow it to be acceptable to all without 
> > the need for any exceptions. For brevity, I am using the term 
> > "blackout" to refer to the redirection or unavailability of port 80 
> > traffic, and the lack of any response on all other ports.
> > 
> > ****
> > 
> > The domain name will be renewable by the RAE for a period of no less 
> > than 10 full days after expiration, but in all cases for at least 8 
> > full days after the domain name is blacked out. This notwithstanding, 
> > the Registrar may Delete the name at any time after expiration and 
> > prior to renewal by the RAE.
> > 
> > ****
> > 
> > Examples:
> > 
> > - A registrar that blacks out the domain soon after expiration must 
> > provide only 10 days.
> > - A registrar who chooses to give 30 days grace before blackout must 
> > provide 38 days total.
> > - A registrar who chooses to give a registrant 6 months grace (for 
> > whatever reason) can do so, but they must still blackout the name 
> > prior to making it no longer renewable by the RAE.
> > - A registrar who wants to delete the name at any time once it has 
> > expired and has not been renewed by the RAE may do so without notice 
> > or delete. It will then go into the 30 day RGP. This will be true 
> > during the 45 day ARGP or during the period that follows (assuming 
> > the registrar has accepted the registry renewal but has still not had 
> > the RAE renew his/her contract with the registrar.
> > 
> > I look forward to hearing comments on this.
> > 
> > Alan
> 

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