RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and blackout

[Oliver Hope <oliver.hope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Mason and James. Operationally we spend enough time trying to 
educate people on what happens when a name expires that adding in "you then get 
a minimum of an 8 day blackout period before you lose the ability to renew at 
the pre-determined price" would cause confusion amongst the average user. 


Oliver Hope
Finance & Operations Director
MeshDigital
+44(0)1483 304030
oliver.hope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 18 January 2011 03:14
To: James M. Bladel; masonc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and 
blackout


I guess I must be either really dense or really smart (you can 
choose), but I don't see anything complex about what is essentially 
"the only rule is that you must give at least 8 full days of blackout 
prior to no longer allowing renewals at the predetermined price".

In terms of explaining to your customers, they do not read the RAA. 
If you are lucky, they read your registration agreement and your 
other material. That can be phrased just as clearly as you wish once 
you decide exactly what your renewal policy is. And the proposal 
allows plenty of room for you to differentiate yourselves from your 
competition.

Alan

At 17/01/2011 07:53 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:
>Mason and Team:
>
>I tend to agree. In fact, this could generate even more confusion for
>registrants, especially those who are unclear on what will happen to
>their names upon expiry.
>
>Thanks-
>
>J.
>
>-----
>James M. Bladel
>
>jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent via iPad, using the free app from GoDaddy.com
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal
> > period and blackout
> > From: "Mason Cole"
> > Date: Mon, January 17, 2011 6:26 pm
> > To: "Alan Greenberg" , "PEDNR"
> >
> >
> > Alan --
> >
> > I have to say that I don't know how this could be engineered into
> > registrar systems, implemented, complied with and enforced as policy by
> > ICANN. I don't know how it would reasonably be explained to our
> > customers in a way they could understand. I don't even think I
> > understand it myself.
> >
> > Please take my input as polite and constructive, as it's intended. I
> > just don't believe, based on operational experience, that these kinds of
> > engineering minutiae will add clarity or prevent unintended losses.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:39 PM
> > To: PEDNR
> > Subject: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period
> > and blackout
> >
> >
> > As discussed during our last meeting, here is a proposal that may
> > satisfy the needs of registrars while still meeting the "blackout"
> > requirement that many users feel is needed.
> >
> > Note that I personally am still not accepting the 10-day period
> > proposed by James, but I am interested in trying to close the other
> > differences that we have and perhaps this proposal will help move us
> > in the right direction.
> >
> > I have thought about this proposal a fair amount since our meeting,
> > and what follows is a bit different from what I proposed then. This
> > difference, I believe, will allow it to be acceptable to all without
> > the need for any exceptions. For brevity, I am using the term
> > "blackout" to refer to the redirection or unavailability of port 80
> > traffic, and the lack of any response on all other ports.
> >
> > ****
> >
> > The domain name will be renewable by the RAE for a period of no less
> > than 10 full days after expiration, but in all cases for at least 8
> > full days after the domain name is blacked out. This notwithstanding,
> > the Registrar may Delete the name at any time after expiration and
> > prior to renewal by the RAE.
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Examples:
> >
> > - A registrar that blacks out the domain soon after expiration must
> > provide only 10 days.
> > - A registrar who chooses to give 30 days grace before blackout must
> > provide 38 days total.
> > - A registrar who chooses to give a registrant 6 months grace (for
> > whatever reason) can do so, but they must still blackout the name
> > prior to making it no longer renewable by the RAE.
> > - A registrar who wants to delete the name at any time once it has
> > expired and has not been renewed by the RAE may do so without notice
> > or delete. It will then go into the 30 day RGP. This will be true
> > during the 45 day ARGP or during the period that follows (assuming
> > the registrar has accepted the registry renewal but has still not had
> > the RAE renew his/her contract with the registrar.
> >
> > I look forward to hearing comments on this.
> >
> > Alan