[gnso-policyimpl-wg] WITH CORRECT NEXT MEETING DATE: Attendance and Recording Policy and Implementation WG meeting - 12 March 2014
Dear All, Please note that the next Policy and Implementation Working Group teleconference will be a F2F meeting on the 26th March at 15:30 local time (07:30 UTC), remote participation details will be sent out shortly. Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working group call held on Wednesday 12 March 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20140312-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Philip Marano – IPC Brian Winterfeldt - IPC Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC Alan Greenberg – ALAC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Greg Shatan – IPC Nic Steinbach – RrSG Tom Barrett Encirca - RrSG Wolf Knoben – ISPCP Amr Elsadr –NCUC Chuck Gomes – RySG Olevie Kouami – NPOC Chuck Gomes – RySG Avri Doria – NCSG Stephanie Perrin - NCUC Klaus Stoll - NPOC Apology: J.Scott Evans – BC Olga Cavalli – GAC Kristina Rosette - IPC Mary Wong ICANN staff: Amy Bivins Marika Konings Mary Wong Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 12 March 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Working Group Meeting of 12 March 2014 Tom Barrett - EnCirca:lost audio Tom Barrett - EnCirca:audio back Nathalie Peregrine:If you are experiencing audio issues in the AC room, please switch to Firefox, rather tna Google Chrome Nathalie Peregrine:Olevie Kouani is on the audio bridge only Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call Amr Elsadr:Still dialling in. Avri Doria:lack of ambiguity is aspirational. i have read very things in my life that I could not find the ambiguity within Avri Doria:... very few things ... Alan Greenberg:In particular... Avri Doria:i consider a year timely for IGO INGO. it got done in time. Amr Elsadr:I agree with Greg. If time sensitivity conflicts with the thoroughness of the process, the process should be more important. No objection to time-sensitivity being a principle though. Olevie:I'm finally in Olevie::-) Avri Doria:But that was NOT unanimous in the ATRTs Olevie:side the room Olevie:hi ! Marika Konings:@Greg - so you are willing to meet 6 hours a week instead? ;-) Amr Elsadr:@Chuck: +1 Nathalie Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the webinar Olevie:@Nathalie : is a webinar or a conference call ? Olevie:it Alan Greenberg:Avri, the ATRT receved a pretty clear message that the MS policy development process was threatened by the perceive slowness of the process and that it had to use people's time more effectively. Greg Shatan:@Marika: If you pay me enough. :=) Marika Konings:LOL Greg Shatan:Hang down your head, unduly. Nathalie Peregrine:@Olevie, it's a conference call, with a web based conjference tool, so a little bit of both :) But apologies for the confusion!! Greg Shatan:Working Groups need to work smarter not harder. And avoid cliches. Marika Konings:At the moment, PDP manual directs IRT to direct back to GNSO Council if policy issues are identified. Klaus Stoll:Sorry got disconnected Alan Greenberg:@Marika, Yes it does. And offers no methodology with which the GNSO can address it (if it is a contract altering Consensus Policy). Marika Konings::-) Marika Konings:thank you Chuck! Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ok Stephanie perrin:Is there not a way to make it a more iterative process? agree in the working group that an issue be sent back for determination? In a legislative process (in Canada at least), if you step outside the agreed remit, you have to go back for more authority. That would be a drafting instruction amendment, ICANN could have something similar. It will always be the case that new policy issues will be identified, if real work is being done. Olevie:nothing to say Olevie:stephanie is on qaudio Marika Konings:Presumably this will be a big part of the discussion dealing with the charter question re. the role of implementation review teams. Olevie:The audio on AC is so clear today. It's 9:50 pm by my side Marika Konings:The PDP-WT did discuss the issue of making changes to the policy after adoption by the Board and at that time agreed that it should only be possible by initiating a PDP. Stephanie perrin:When and if new policy issues that are germane to the operationalization/implementation, a clear process should be developed for returning the specific for policy direction. Stephanie perrin:specific issue Amr Elsadr:So implementation guidance = Details on how to conduct implementation? Stephanie perrin:that seems to make sense to me Marika Konings:@Amr - yes, if there are any specific considerations that the WG wants to point out in relation to implementation, we would highlight these in the report as 'implementation considerations' and these are then also passed on to staff responsible for the implementation. Stephanie perrin:If the stakeholder impact assessment works, then the actual details of what to do will flow from that process... Amr Elsadr:@Chuck @Marika: Thanks. That's really helpful. Amr Elsadr:@Greg: Don't you think it could be challenged via a Council motion? Avri Doria:i cant hear anymore. Avri Doria:i can now Cheryl Langdon-Orr:works for me as note Nathalie Peregrine:Avri, can we dial out to you, I know there are some issues at the moment with the AC audio Avri Doria:i am got it back Avri Doria:i am back. Avri Doria:there is a principle hee. one that defines a class of thing that can be acted on, but still can be recalled by commuity action. were else is that spelled out. Avri Doria:any change is also contingent Stephanie perrin:I would also add that word changes. to folks who operate in another language, may be non-trivial. Amr Elsadr:@Avri: +1 Greg Shatan:Another issue -- we are talking about changes to the written policy, not whether an action is policy or implementation. Alan Greenberg:My suggestion is the appeal part should be moved to the top. Amr Elsadr:These are three solid principles. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:belts and braces please put it in twice works Avri Doria:D1B possible langauge: an approximation An implementation team should be able to make transparent changes to the implementation that do not affect any policy aspects of the implementations. Examples of such actions include admin updates, error correction ... In any case, the community maintains the ability to challenge any implementation change that may affect policy. Nic Steinbach:I'm glad we got through this, but was this meeting not scheduled for 1.5 hours? Tom Barrett - EnCirca:on 2A, Would "unintended" be a better word than "unanticipated"? Stephanie perrin:+1 Avri Greg Shatan:These are apples and oranges. See my comment above. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:do it now if we can Cheryl Langdon-Orr:few minutes more will do I suspect Avri Doria:i see the point of 2 simlalry worded princples Alan Greenberg:I've got to leave. Sorry. Avri Doria:one for recommendation and one for implemnetation. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:works for me @avri Greg Shatan:Implementationists Greg Shatan:Implementors Greg Shatan:Imps Nic Steinbach:implementationsist -sounds like a school of fine art :) Avri Doria:i vote for imps Greg Shatan:Similar wording sounds good. Greg Shatan:But let's not be impetuous. Avri Doria:unfortuantely i have a conflict in singapore with the technical advisory mtg. Greg Shatan:The Implementationists were known for their heavy use of impasto. Marika Konings:Further details about the session in Singapore can be found here: http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-policy-implementation Nic Steinbach:@Greg lol Avri Doria:technical experts team, that is the proper name, Avri Doria:so unless tha tmoving moves again, it already moved once, i will probably miss the Singapore meeting. apologies. Avri Doria:the singapore P&I mtg Marika Konings:I can put something in, in brackets? Amr Elsadr:@Marika: I personally think the language in the questions is good. :) Phil Marano:Thanks everyone. See you in Singapore. Amr Elsadr:Thanks everyone. Bye. Tom Barrett - EnCirca:bye Greg Shatan:Bye all. Marika Konings:@Amr - I think the second one is more difficlut ;-) Brian Winterfeldt:Bye everyone! Cheryl Langdon-Orr:lot done good call thanks bye Attachment:
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