[gnso-policyimpl-wg] Attendance and Recording Policy and Implementation WG meeting - 14 January 2015
Dear All, The next Policy and Implementation Working Group teleconference is scheduled in two weeks on Wednesday 28 January 2015 at 20:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working group call held on Wednesday 14 January 2015 at 19:30 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-14jan15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr - At-Large Chuck Gomes - RySG Greg Shatan - IPC Alan Greenberg-ALAC Tom Barrett - RrSG J.Scott Evans - BC Michael Graham - IPC Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC Apologies: Amr Elsadr - NCUC Wolf-Ulrich Knoben - ISPCP ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Karen Lentz Steve Chan Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 14 January 2015 Marika Konings:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Working Group meeting of 14 January 2015 Alan Greenberg:Low attendance good. Time to make a cup of coffee! Alan Greenberg:In the interest of full disclosure, I have not doe my homework or read the current document... Marika Konings:Please note that Michael's edits are not incorporated in this version. Terri Agnew:Welcome J Scott Evans J. Scott Evans:Sorry to be late Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I support the survey approach Terri Agnew:Welcome Tom Barrett Greg Shatan:@Alan, where has the view been seen? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm quite happy with that (still complex) sentence. @chuck. but I do agree with Alan's point. if we can wordsmith an edit Anne Aikman-Scalese:the word that needs to be changed is "originate" Marika Konings:but the decisioins and analysis do originate with the community according to the definition. I don't think that conflicts with the Board initiating a conversation.... Anne Aikman-Scalese:"lie with" instead of originate J. Scott Evans:Why don't we ask a question on the survey about the intpretation of that wording? Michael R. Graham:@Cheryl -- I do think virtually anything can be misinterpreted -- either by accident or intent -- to create a controversy. Marika Konings:This is only the definition of bottom up, nothing else.... Cheryl Langdon-Orr:footnote (depending on text) is vine but me Anne Aikman-Scalese:"whereby development of policy recommendations etc ...originates with Anne Aikman-Scalese:agree with Chuck subject to agreeement on definition of bottom-up Alan Greenberg:Suggested new def'n of Bottom up. Alan Greenberg:A fundamental principle of ICANN's participation and policy development decision-making process whereby the formulation of analyses, policy, organizational analysis and decisions originate with stakeholders who participate in the process and then develop recommendations for consideration by the broader community and ultimately by the Board as applicable. The request to consider such processes may come from anywhere within ICANN, or even from outside of ICANN. The processes used are designed to provide equal opportunity for participation by all Stakeholders as practically possible Anne Aikman-Scalese:Getting there Alan! I would delete first "analyses" because we later say organizational analysis and then "originate" should be "orginates" because the subject of the sentence is "formulation" ( I think) Anne Alan Greenberg:I think originate is correct because the subject is a list of things. " They originate" sounds correct. to me. Alan Greenberg:Agree to eliminate the first "analyses, " J. Scott Evans:Anne has lost me. Mary Wong:Just to clarify, at the moment, if the Board disagrees with the GNSO's policy recommendations, the Bylaws already have a provision for how this is to be tackled. Mary Wong:See, e.g., Section 9 of Annex A: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/bylaws-2012-02-25-en#AnnexA J. Scott Evans:Alan. Thanks for your candor. Marika Konings:@Alan - that is indeed what is recommended - those processes that require Board action are included in the Bylaws. Anne Aikman-Scalese:I would suggest that in the description of the GGP, next to that last sentence, add the following "such as where the ICANN Board declines to follow GNSO policy recommendations." Marika Konings:@Anne - that does not make any sense as such a situation is already dealt with in the PDP. Alan Greenberg:@Marika, yes, but I realized that is somewhat at odds with what I said at the start of this call and wanted to make that clear. J. Scott Evans:I am going to have to run catch a plane. J. Scott Evans:Thanks to everyone for their time and their patience. Greg Shatan:Ann, I don't think the GGP has any connection to the PDP process. Terri Agnew:goodbye J Scott safe travels Anne Aikman-Scalese:I am just trying to understand how Board is required to go back to GNSO when it makes an implementation decision. Just using the hypo from real life - Jeff's letter to the Board that GNSO sent and am not sure where it says Board would have to come back to GNSO. Maybe we are saying that doesn't matter because GNSO initiates. Alan Greenberg:BEFORE WE END, revised Bottom up def'n: A fundamental principle of ICANN's participation and policy development decision-making process whereby the formulation of analyses, policy, organizational analysis and decisions originate with stakeholders who participate in the process and then develop recommendations for consideration by the broader community and ultimately by the Board as applicable. The request to consider such processes may come from anywhere within ICANN, or even from outside of ICANN. The processes used are designed to provide equal opportunity for participation by all Stakeholders as practically possible. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:OK with that @alan Anne Aikman-Scalese:@Alan - good from my standpoint if analyses are actually separate from organizational anaysis. Are we speaking of issue analyses or policy analyses or bothg? Alan Greenberg:@Anne, I find the entire thing far too wordy as it is, so I am happy to make the reduction you suggested. Alan Greenberg:I need to leave for another meeting now. Terri Agnew:goodbye Alan and Cheryl Cheryl Langdon-Orr:not really rid of me yet :-) Michael R. Graham:Agree with Alan's revised definition -- noting that clarity of brief phrases requires complexity commensurate with the significance of the phrase. Michael R. Graham:Gold stars? ;-) Anne Aikman-Scalese:Thanks everyone! Marika Konings:Maybe we could have a meeting on 28 January to plan for the Singapore meeting? Marika Konings:Anne - that edit will be included as agreed to during today's meeting. Marika Konings:the idea is that no further substantive edits are made Marika Konings:30 minutes have currently been allocated Anne Aikman-Scalese:Thanks Chuck. Great job finaliszing! Cheryl Langdon-Orr:good call thanks all will do my best with survey but travelling Mary Wong:Bye everyone, great work! Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye for now Attachment:
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