Re: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] Attendance and Recording Policy and Implementation WG meeting - 15 April 2015

[Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@xxxxxxxxx>]

while I think of it I will be an apology for next weeks call as I will be
flying interstate to Melbourne for a brunch Women in ICT function
(celebration of the International day for Girls in ICT)  so unless my plane
is delayed...  ... ... ...


*Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ...  *(CLO)

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On 16 April 2015 at 07:36, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Dear All,
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>
> The next Policy and Implementation Working Group teleconference is
> scheduled *next week on Wednesday 22 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC for 90
> minutes.*
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>
> Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working
> group call held on Wednesday 15 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC at:
>
> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-15apr15-en.mp3
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> On page:
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> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr
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> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
> Master Calendar page:
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> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
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> *Attendees:*
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> Cheryl Langdon-Orr – At-Large
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> Amr Elsadr – NCUC
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> Alan Greenberg-ALAC
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> Chuck Gomes – RySG
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> Avri Doria - NCSG
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> Michael Graham – IPC
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> Tom Barrett - RrSG
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> J Scott Evans – BC
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> Greg Shatan - IPC
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> *Apologies:*
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> Marika Konings
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> *ICANN staff:*
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> Mary Wong
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> Amy Bivins
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> Karen Lentz
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> Steve Chan
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> Berry Cobb
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> Terri Agnew
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>
>
> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
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>  Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag
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> Thank you.
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> Kind regards,
>
> Terri Agnew
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>
> *Adobe Chat Transcript for **Wednesday 15 April 2015*
>
>    Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation WG meeting of 15
> April 2015
>
>   Chuck Gomes:Hello
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am here as well
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr:two calls at one is almost standard these days
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr:there is the occasional 3 even *sigh*
>
>   J. Scott Evans:I am on hold
>
>   Amr Elsadr:Hi all.
>
>   Mary Wong:@Chuck, I sent the email you asked for but there seems to be
> something delaying my emails ...
>
>   Avri Doria:does staff win?
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr:chuck your voice is quit er than the others ...might
> need to adjust your mike
>
>   Terri Agnew:Tom Barrett has joined
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>   Terri Agnew:Michael Graham has joined
>
>   Chuck Gomes:Just adjusted my mike Cheryl.  Thanks.
>
>   Avri Doria:i am surprised at the notion of there being a hierarchy.
> will be curious to see it.
>
>   Amr Elsadr:If I recall, that was a suggestion by Alan, but he noted that
> he hadn't thought it through too much.
>
>   Avri Doria:i thought they were fit for different purposes., but find the
> idea interesting.
>
>   Mary Wong:We'll need to give it some thought, which is why Marika and I
> thought it more appropriate for the list than live on the call :)
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree @JScott
>
>   Avri Doria:I am sure someone will be able to argue that something as not
> properly considered.
>
>   Amr Elsadr:The point made regarding the EPDP is that if there is a wish
> to revisit a previously rejected policy, there should be a good reason to
> do so. This would likely need to be rescoped to take into consideration
> issues that weren't considered before.
>
>   Avri Doria:Yep. I think anything could be twisted into an appropriate
> pretzel.  But at some point have to trust the council to not get gamed.
>
>   Mary Wong:Here's the language: "An EPDP may be initiated by the GNSO
> Council only in the following specific circumstances:(1) to address a
> narrowly defined policy issue that was identified and scoped after either
> the adoption of a GNSOpolicy recommendation by the ICANN Board or the
> implementation of such an adopted recommendation; or (2) toprovide new or
> additional policy recommendations on a specific policy issue that had been
> substantially scopedpreviously, such that extensive, pertinent background
> information already exists, e.g. (a) in an Issue Report for apossible PDP
> that was not initiated; (b) as part of a previous PDP that was not
> completed; or (c) through otherprojects such as a GGP.."
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:sadly true  @Avri
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Alan  should be joining us aoon
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>   Avri Doria:hey, i must confess to have done it myself when the goal was
> important enough from my PoV.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:we just finished  DT-F
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>   Amr Elsadr:I'm OK moving on to 5.7 until Alan joins us.
>
>   Avri Doria:we do not have a mechanism that is 'binding on the board' yet.
>
>   Amr Elsadr:@Avri: True. :)
>
>   Terri Agnew:Alan Greenberg has joined
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>   Amr Elsadr:To be honest, I'm not entirely sure I understand the comment
> in 5.2.
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>   Alan Greenberg:waiting to get on bridge
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>   Terri Agnew:@Alan, alerting operator
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>   Alan Greenberg::-)
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:exactly @Mary  thanks
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>   Alan Greenberg:@ 2 mintes...
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>   Alan Greenberg:and now line went silent!
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>   Alan Greenberg:Will re-dial
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>   Terri Agnew:@Alan, or skype me your telephone number and can have op
> dial out to you
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:yup ditto
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>   Terri Agnew:Alan is on audio
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>   Alan Greenberg:on now. This time call was picked up right away.
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>   Alan Greenberg:on bridge now
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>   Alan Greenberg:cannot understand Chuck
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:he is lower volume
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>   Mary Wong:I can hear Chuck well too.
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>   Alan Greenberg:I will hang up and try again
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>   Amr Elsadr:@Alan: I'm on the AC room audio. It's working pretty well.
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:get a dial out @Alan
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>   Terri Agnew:I have the op on alert for his line
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>   Alan Greenberg:on again
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>   Alan Greenberg:Better this time
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>   J. Scott Evans:Dear All, I have to bow out to go to another meeting here
> at work. Amr thanks for your good comments. Chuck thanks for your
> leadership.
>
>   Mary Wong:Thanks J Scott!
>
>   Terri Agnew:goodbye J Scott
>
>   Mary Wong:See you in San Diego :)
>
>   Amr Elsadr:Thanks J. Scott. Good luck with your meeting.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:bye JScott
>
>   Amr Elsadr:I'm guessing some of this is beyond the purview of an IRT (if
> new policy issues come up during implementation). Wouldn't it make sense to
> have implementation move fwd while the policy questions go back to the GNSO
> to be dealt with there?
>
>   Avri Doria:not in favor of a stress test at this point , as stress tests
> drive policy.  stress test are a good idea at requriements time, not as an
> afterthought.
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>   Avri Doria:The rpoblem with ALAC's dilemma, a real one, is that it is
> dependent on bahvior pattterns.
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>   Alan Greenberg:Avri, on behalf of the ALAC (without consultation), I am
> happy to delete the phrase "stress test" in lieu of something more
> sescriptive.
>
>   Terri Agnew:Greg Shatan has joined
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:That is my understanding as well @Mary
>
>   Greg Shatan:Apologies; I had a conflict at 3....
>
>   Michael R. Graham:Sorry, Team -- I have to jump off.  Will listen to
> last 30 mins online.
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Bye Graham
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>   Michael R. Graham:Bye -- Alan's making great points -- will miss the
> discussion.
>
>   Terri Agnew:goodbye Michael
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>   Amr Elsadr:Bye Michael. Talk next week.
>
>   Alan Greenberg:@Mary, part of the reason that I used "guesstimate"
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>   Mary Wong:@Alan, understood - I'm just not sure we (staff) can carry
> out the second part of your suggestion, even as a "guesstimate".
>
>   Amr Elsadr:Pretty much agree with Greg. I imagine that mapping out the
> process and the actors should increase efficiency and predictiveness of the
> length that implementation may take. I could, of course, be wrong in the
> event of "complex implementation".
>
>   Amr Elsadr:But complexities will exist with or without our
> recommendations, won't they?
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>   Avri Doria:and yet here we are 1.5 years after that process would have
> started.  miht even been done by now.
>
>   Amr Elsadr:@Greg: +1
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:What @Avri is sayiong makes good sense to me ...
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:case studies as Karen indicated
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Yes  it would be significant  work  and
> classifiable  as longer term  IMO
>
>   Avri Doria:what is a normal dither interval?
>
>   Mary Wong:We do have some numbers/data that we can get/provide, but
> possibly not the full slate that's been discussed, e.g. it will be
> difficult to get exact dates/timelines for ad-hoc processes.
>
>   Greg Shatan:I have no objection to trying to figure out how long our
> "creations" might take.
>
>   Mary Wong::)
>
>   Mary Wong:@Chuck it's a good thing we're all good friends here :)
>
>   Greg Shatan:Kind of like those paperwork reduction act estimates on US
> government forms
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>   Terri Agnew:@Berry, we are unable to hear you
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>   Terri Agnew:please chec your mute
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:"... probably right"  @Chuck  surely I am 'always'
> right ;-)
>
>   Avri Doria:CLO, i would think that would be frirghtening.
>
>   Avri Doria:i am so very grateful that i am frequently wrong.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Naaa @Avri  I could live wioth the responsability,
> but yes  scary thought :-)
>
>   Avri Doria:my favorite moments are when i am arguing forcefully and the
> light of someone elses argument comes over me.  it makes me smile,
> invariably.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:You are a true academic my dear  ;-)
>
>   Avri Doria:forgive me.  these days my only social life is on chat.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:tell me about it!
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Back from my sidleine chatter  with 2Avri (there
> has to be SOME fun in all these minutes on calls ;-)    I REALLY
> appreciate this anaylisis   work being shown ...
>
>   Avri Doria:yep, i like data and trend lines.
>
>   Mary Wong:Berry, Karen, Marika and I will discuss after this call and
> get some suggestions to everyone shortly.
>
>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:It has been a good call though   look forward to
> next weeks  discussion(s)  on more of the PC inputs...
>
>   Amr Elsadr:Question 6 seems to be what we covered earlier in 5.4
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>   Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Thanks  Chuck  thanks everyine... YES this work is
> essential    Bye for now talk soon...
>
>   Tom Barrett - EnCirca:bye all
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>   Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
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>   Greg Shatan:Goodbye to all and to the conversation in CLO's head.
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