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Re: [gnso-ppsc-wg] Proposed Working Group Team Charter
- To: Working Group <gnso-ppsc-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [gnso-ppsc-wg] Proposed Working Group Team Charter
- From: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:16:40 -0600
i am too happily on vacation to go to war over this, but the document
you're circulating isn't a charter in my opinion.
you use the term "charter concepts" in the second paragraph, and i
think all would be resolved if you re-titled your memo that way. i'm
happy to see charter concepts explored and commend the work you're doing.
but let's not call this document a charter yet -- it's missing most
of the information that's generally considered mandatory in a project
charter (hence my forwarding the link to the little checklist). this
lack of completeness can in turn lead to big trouble down the line,
especially if we never get back to finishing the job.
there are lots and lots of recipes for project charters out in the
project-management literature by the way (google "project charter
template" for lots of examples), i just forwarded the link to mine
because it's handy and you don't have to pay to read it.
the reason i'm being such a pain in the neck about this chartering
stuff is found in my write-up of the troubles we ran into while i
chaired the Fast Flux working group. many of those troubles were
caused by a hastily-written, badly-formed charter and i don't want to
see us repeat that mistake here. there's a link to my reflections
on this on our working-group wiki page, but i'll repeat it here;
http://www.haven2.com/FF-observations.pdf
m
At 02:01 PM 1/23/2009, J. Scott Evans wrote:
Mike:
This is part of the PPSC process. The PPSC is putting together
Charters for the working teams in an effort to move the work along
and to give each group a starting point. I asked and the members
and observers on the PPSC agree to circulate this draft to the WG
Team mailing list to get input from those folks that have expressed
an interest in serving on this team in order to help continue our
momentum of moving things along. The Working Team is still
accepting members and we will have to revisit the Charter, if only
to reaffirm that we have working groups consensus around the
charter. I appreciate you points and I welcome your
input. Additionally, this Charter is only designed to set forth in
broad strokes the task of the working group and the suggested
parameters for team membership. If you have suggestions for wording
that you believe would better define this, please put the
forward. I am sure the participants on the list would be happy to
review any alternative wording you may have.
With regard the other points raised in your posting, I believe the
working team itself, subject to approval and input from the PPSC,
will then come up with a description of deliverables, tasks, roles
and responsibilities when it begins to formally meet (which I hope
will be in the next week or so). Given this reality, your list may
be an excellent tool to help the team work through all these
issues. That said, I am not willing to commit the team to a process
until we are formally up and running and I know we have consensus on
proceeding as you suggest. Again, however, if you have some
specifics that you wish to circulate to the list, I am sure everyone
would greatly appreciate any input that would help us move things along.
Again, thanks for your engagement.
J. Scott
j. scott evans | senior legal director, global brand & trademark |
Yahoo! Inc. | evansj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | 408.349.1385
From: Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Gnso-ppsc-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:01:47 AM
Subject: Re: [gnso-ppsc-wg] Proposed Working Group Team Charter
i think i'm confused.
if we're working on a draft of our charter (your attached redline),
isn't now the time to answer those questions? or alternatively,
should we re-title the document we're working on right now, so's to
leave room/time for that first-objective charter-review you're describing?
a sketchy charter can lead to troubles down the line...
at a minimum, i'd like to see a definition of the problem we're
supposed to be solving, a description of the deliverables, a hint of
the tasks in in front of us and a description of our roles and
responsibilities as working group members.
m
At 12:34 PM 1/23/2009, J. Scott Evans wrote:
> Mike:
>
> Thanks. One of the first objectives of the actual team will be
to review the Charter. Since you are incommunicado at the moment,
we can wait until our first team meeting and work through this list
if others feel it would be a worthwhile exercise. That said, I
want to move the charter discussion along quick so that we can get
down to the real substantive work.
>
> I appreciate your engagement and I look forward to discussing
this matter with you further after your return from vacation.
>
> J. Scott
>
> j. scott evans | senior legal director, global brand & trademark
| Yahoo! Inc. | <mailto:evansj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>evansj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
408.349.1385
>
>
>
> From: Mike O'Connor <<mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: J. Scott Evans
<<mailto:jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>jscottevans@xxxxxxxxx>;
<mailto:Gnso-ppsc-wg@xxxxxxxxx>Gnso-ppsc-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:21:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [gnso-ppsc-wg] Proposed Working Group Team Charter
>
>
> hi all,
>
> thanks for the redline Scott.
>
> i'm on vacation and won't be able to really participate a lot
until i get back to real Internet access in a few weeks, but i
offer this small suggestion as to a series of questions that we
might want to answer in our chartering;
>
>
<<http://www.haven2.com/pdchecklist.html>http://www.haven2.com/pdchecklist.html>http://www.haven2.com/pdchecklist.html
>
> i'll have more to say on this once i get back from vacation but
hope that we might get to a charter that can answer most of these
questions before we get too far down the road.
>
> m
>
> At 07:28 PM 1/22/2009, J. Scott Evans wrote:
> > Dear Working Group Team Members:
> >
> > I am attaching the following documents for your consideration:
> >
> > 1. The current draft of the WG team Charter; and
> >
> > 2. A redlined version of the current draft showing the
revisions that have been made to this document from the proposed
charter originally posted on the PPSC Wiki.
> >
> > The PPSC is currently reviewing these documents and taking
comments from the PPSC members and observers on these
documents. These comments will be accepted until January 28,
2009. After that time, the PPSC will be calling for consensus on
this proposed Charter.
> >
> > While one of the first tasks of the fully constituted WG Team
will be to review, revise if necessary and approve this proposed
Charter, I wanted to give each of those that have expressed an
interest in serving on this team a chance to comment at this stage
in the hopes of reducing this as a deliverable for the team once we
formally begin our work. To this end, I would ask that anyone who
has comment to submit it to the list or, if you prefer, to me
privately and I will pass it on to the members of the PPSC.
> >
> > If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.
> >
> > Kind regards.
> >
> > J. Scott
> >
> > j. scott evans | senior legal director, global brand &
trademark | Yahoo! Inc. |
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