RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop outline

["Greg Aaron" <gaaron@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, I see now the point about that sentence construction.  How about this
instead:

<snip>

Additional research and identifying concrete policy issues ? 
The issues report outlines a number of areas where additional research would
be needed in order to understand what problems may exist in relation to
registration abuse and their scope, and to fully appreciate the current
practices of contracted parties, including research to:

-       'Understand if registration abuses are occurring that might be
curtailed or better addressed if consistent registration abuse policies were
established'
-       'Determine if and how registration abuse is dealt with in those
registries [and registrars] that do not have any specific [policies] in
place?
-       ?Identify how these registration abuse provisions are implemented in
practice or deemed effective in addressing registration abuse?.
-    The drafting group recommends that additional research be conducted to
include the practices of relevant entities other than the contracted
parties, such as abusers, registrants, law enforcement, service providers,
and so on.

</snip>

I removed the formulation "abusers and contracted parties," which is
probably not the best available.  The GNSO Council resolution never actually
mentioned abusers as a party that must be studied.  The Issues Report
mentioned contracted parties and "a diversity of existing and potential
registrants."  (Still looking through the IR though...)  

All best,
--Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:59 PM
To: Marika Konings
Cc: krosette@xxxxxxx; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop
outline


Marika / Kristina / Group:

In light of Marika's response, I would support the addition of a new
sentence that reflects the proposed expansion of research to include
non-contracted parties.

Thanks--

J.


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Subject: Re: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and
workshop outline
From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 4:32 pm
To: "krosette@xxxxxxx" <krosette@xxxxxxx>, 
"gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>

Kristina, that is indeed correct, these sections come from the issues
report, but as mentioned, this shouldn't prevent adding additional
issues or a sentence that would broaden the research. 

Marika


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Sent: Thu Jan 22 13:20:37 2009
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and
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Greg,

I don't have any objection with considering the practices/experiences of
non-contracted parties. In fact, I suggested it during our last call.

However, I don't believe your proposed suggestion is accurate. To the
best of my recollection, the relevant sections of the issue report
(e.g., those outlining additional areas of research) do not refer to
parties other than contracted parties or abusers. If my recollection is
correct (Marika, would you please check?), your suggestion would
essentially revise the issues report. I don't think we should do that.

One workaround is to simply add another sentence that says something to
the effect of "The drafting group recommends that the scope of
additional research be broadened to include the current practices of
relevant parties other than contracted parties and abusers, namely, . .
. . "

K

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Aaron [mailto:gaaron@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Rosette, Kristina; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and
workshop outline

Dear all:

James touched on a good concept, which is that the environment/context
in which registration abuses must be studied (not just the practices of
the contracted parties and the abusers). The roles of law enforcement,
security responders, brand management companies, ISPs, etc. may be
relevant and important to understand. Some of those do mitigation, some
do not.

So I propose the following, which mentions that there are various
parties, and avoids the mitigation topic:

<snip>

Additional research and identifying concrete policy issues - The issues
report outlines a number of areas where additional research would be
needed in order to fully appreciate the current practices of relevant
parties (including abusers, and contracted and non-contracted parties),
and the scope of problems that exist in relation to registration abuse,
including research to:
....

</snip>

With best wishes,
--Greg Aaron


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:19 PM
To: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and
workshop outline

All,

Attached are my suggested revisions in clean and redline form. 

I made the change that James suggested in #1 below, and addressed his #2
by flipping the order to "contracted parties and abusers." I don't
recall that the issues report was limited to mitigation so didn't
incorporate that suggestion. As for point 3, it wasn't covered in the
issues report, which is what the relevant section is referencing, so I
didn't include it there.
I did include it in the panel outline; it tracked our discussion from
our last call.

I'd very much like to reach agreement by list - if possible. My Friday
will be awful and not having our call would be a big help.

K



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:39 PM
To: Marika Konings
Cc: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and
workshop outline


Marika et al:

Apologies for the delayed response.

My only concern would be with respect to the first sentence under the
heading "Additional research and identifying concrete policy issues."

Towards the middle of this sentence, the existing text reads:
 "...additional research would be needed in order to fully appreciate
the current practices of abusers and contracting parties..."

Suggested edits:

1. Change "contracting" to "contracted"

2. The general proximity of "abusers and contracted parties" probably
needs additional qualification to distinguish the problem (abusers) from
potential solutions (contracted parties). I would suggest adding
"mitigation efforts"
before "contracted parties."

3. Non-contracted parties, such as (but not limited to) security firms,
ISPs, hosting companies, etc., also make significant contributions to
addressing post-registration abuse. If we wish to acknowledge this here,
we could add "and other organizations" after "contracted parties."

4. Taken together, the amended sentence would read:

 "The issues report outlines a number of areas where additional research
would be needed in order to fully appreciate the current practices of
abusers, and mitigation efforts of contracted parties and other
organizations, and the scope of problems that exist...."

Also, I noted that this topic is also mentioned on pg.3 when describing
the proposed topics for the Workshop. Items #1 and #2 from my list are
not applicable here, but if we desire to include the efforts of
non-contracted organizations in the workshop topics, we should also do
so here.

Thank you--

J.


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Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] For your review - Updated Charter and workshop
outline
From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, January 20, 2009 10:22 am
To: "gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx" <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>

 For your review - Updated Charter and workshop outline Dear All,
 
 Please find attached an updated version of the charter and workshop
outline incorporating the comments and suggestions discussed and
received. As outlined below, in order to get this to the GNSO Council
for consideration on their next meeting, the group would need to
finalize this document by COB January 21 January. Please share your
comments and suggestions with the list. Also indicate if you need more
time in order to review this document.
 
 I have attached both a redline version as well as a clean copy.
 
 With best regards,
 
 Marika
 
 ------ Forwarded Message
 From: Liz Gasster <liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx>
 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:45:18 -0800
 To: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
 Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] RE: Registration Abuse Policies drafting team
MP3 January 16, 2009
 
 
 
 All,
 
 On our call today, the group discussed edits to the draft charter that
Marika sent earlier this week. A new draft will be circulated on Monday,
incorporating edits that Mike sent to the list and others we discussed.
 
 The group decided to try to finalize the proposed charter on the list
by COB January 21 so that the Council could consider the proposal at its
29 January meeting, based on progress made to-date. This is earlier than
we originally estimated on our first call. This means that we will need
your input and sign-off on the new documents by next Wednesday. If the
group finds that further work is needed before we can finalize, then we
will decide on email if we should revert to the previously decided
target of 12 Feb (for 19 Feb. Council meeting).
 
 The group also discussed the SSAC paper and invitation, and planning
for a workshop in Mexico. Current thinking on those areas will be
reflected in the revision we send on Monday. 
 
 For those NOT on today's call, please let us know ASAP if you have any
concerns about this approach.
 
 Thanks, Liz
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:06 AM
 To: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
 Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] Registration Abuse Policies drafting team MP3
January 16, 2009
 
 
 Dear All,
 
 Please find the MP3 recording of the Registration Abuse Policies
drafting team held on Friday 16 January 2009 at 15:00 UTC at:
 http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rap-20090116.mp3
 On page:
 http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#jan
 
 Present for the teleconference:
 Greg Aaron - Registry C.
 Mike Rodenbaugh - CBUC
 Kristina Rosette - IPC
 Olga Cavalli - NCA
 
 Absent apologies:
 James Bladel - Godaddy RRc
 
 Staff:
 Marika Konings
 Liz Gasster
 Glen de Saint Gery - GNSO Secretariat
 
 Thank you and let me know if you have any questions.
 Kind regards,
 Glen
 
 
 Glen de Saint Géry
 GNSO Secretariat
 gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 http://gnso.icann.org
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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