RE: [gnso-rap-dt] Interesting article not unrelated to the Front Running Discussions

[Paul Stahura <Paul.Stahura@xxxxxxxx>]

It may be that many law-abiding consumers would want to know when their whois 
was looked up.  Sorta of like consumers can find out when their credit score 
has been checked, and by whom.
I agree it doesn't feel right to tell a registrant that the fbi looked up their 
whois.  But the fbi could (and I think does) lookup whois information in a way 
that the registrar wouldn't know it was the fbi, for example.


From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul Stahura; jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: icann+rap@xxxxxxxx; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-rap-dt] Interesting article not unrelated to the Front 
Running Discussions


They are 2 different functions, but I would bet that most consumers don't know 
the difference, plus a number of registrars (and I am not in front of my 
computer to check Network Solutions) will ask you if you want to register a 
name if there is no match in the whois query. In other words a number of people 
use the whois as a domain availability check.

What I believe is more of a concern from a policy perspective is if I am 
conducting an investigation (as a consumer, law enforcement, IP owner, etc.) 
Into the ownership of a name and check a whois, that that information can be 
given out or monetized. Sure Network Solutions is only giving out the name 
searched, but is that the start of a slippery slope.

It just doesn't feel right.
Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
Vice President, Law & Policy
NeuStar, Inc.
Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx

________________________________
From: Paul Stahura
To: James M. Bladel ; Neuman, Jeff
Cc: George Kirikos ; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed Sep 02 13:22:47 2009
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] Interesting article not unrelated to the Front 
Running Discussions
Don't confuse the loch ness monster with a big fish
A domain availability check is different than a whois lookup.

From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:40 PM
To: Neuman,Jeff
Cc: George Kirikos; gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-rap-dt] Interesting article not unrelated to the Front 
Running Discussions

Thanks, Jeff.  An excellent sighting / photo of the Loch Ness Monster.

J.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gnso-rap-dt] Interesting article not unrelated to the Front
Running Discussions
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, September 01, 2009 9:29 pm
To: "George Kirikos" <icann+rap@xxxxxxxx>, <gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx>


New Service by Network Solutions (Reveal of all whois queries for the day).

http://domainnamewire.com/2009/09/01/network-solutions-displays-customers-whois-queries-to-the-public/


Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx<https://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose>]
 On Behalf Of George Kirikos
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:30 PM
To: gnso-rap-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-rap-dt] Feedback on front running questions


As per my prior email:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-rap-dt/msg00308.html

I'd still appreciate a list of the domain names he attempted to
register, to see if they were "worthy" of being registered, i.e. their
quality.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Marika Konings<marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Please find below the response received from Ben Edelman to the follow-up
> questions posed by members of the RAP WG. Note that the report was
> commissioned by the ICANN compliance department.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> From: Ben Edelman 
> [mailto:ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<https://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:19 PM
> To: 'Stacy Burnette'
> Subject: RE: Questions on front running study
>
> Thanks for the further questions.
>
> Attached is the list of URLs where domain availability was checked.  There
> are fewer than 600 entries because some URLs were checked repeatedly,
> consistent with the methodology detailed in my report.
>
> To Greg's second question: As I mentioned in my prior message, I did not
> have occasion to classify the particulars of each URL where I checked domain
> availability.  So I don't know the answer to that question.  My tests began
> at the URLs listed in the attachment.  Then, as detailed in my methodology,
> I used a domain registration or search link or form on (or linked from) each
> page to check the availability of a test domain on each of the test URLs.
>
> On Greg's third question: Checking the registry would have been a fine
> alternative to DNS queries.  As Greg suggests, checking the registry would
> offer certain benefits.  With INFO as well as COM and NET, I'd need to run
> several kinds of checks, but it's certainly doable.  However, the
> methodology I used was the methodology described in my report, not the
> alternative Greg suggests.
>
> I'll let ICANN speak to the question of what part of ICANN requested the
> report.
>