RE: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group C

["Milton Mueller" <Mueller@xxxxxxx>]

Speaking as the chair of the noncommercial users constituency, I believe NCUC 
can accept the report's language regarding a legal/natural persons distinction, 
and possibly an OPoC implementation based on that policy. We reject however the 
second paragraph about "verification"  and believe it should be deleted, as 
both redundant and lacking in support.

Noncommercial internet users are however, strongly opposed to making a 
commercial/noncommercial distinction. We are very aware of the way overly broad 
characterization of "commercial use" has been exploited by litigants to 
suppress freedom of expression on the internet, and we are aware of the vague, 
changing and "dynamic" nature of the distinction, seeing as how it is sometimes 
applied to T-shirt sales or requests for donations by noncommercial groups, or 
even mere links to commercial or quasi-commercial web sites.

While it is obvious that false self-certifications should be exposed and 
changed, we have concerns about a formal "challenge procedure" of the sort our 
IPR lawyers seem to have in mind as becoming excessively bureaucratic and 
expensive. Can and will propose alternate language in a subsequent message.

>>> Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> 5/30/2007 11:03 AM >>>
Nor do I. The last thing we need are more policies that ICANN not only doesn't 
enforce, but actually can't. And I question the statement that some registrars 
are verifying such a distinction. If so, I would think there should be some 
examples - the specific registrars who are doing it and how they are doing it.
 
Also, I think the changes that Lynn and Chris are suggesting do not accurately 
represent the level of support and/or agreement of the group.


Tim 



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group C
From: "Paul Stahura" <stahura@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, May 30, 2007 9:58 am
To: "Goodendorf,  Lynn (IHG)" <Lynn.Goodendorf@xxxxxxx>,  "Chris
Gibson" <cgibson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,  "Maria Farrell"
<maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>,  <gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx>

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From: Goodendorf, Lynn (IHG) [mailto:Lynn.Goodendorf@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:31 AM
To: Chris Gibson; Maria Farrell; gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx 
Subject: RE: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group C


I would just like to add a comment that I feel these revisions help achieve the 
balance needed to win a broad consensus of support.

Some members have not been as vocal in our discussions and I do not have a 
sense of whether the majority of the group is in agreement.
Since we did not have a teleconference today, is it possible to have some kind 
of quick informal poll?

Regards,
-Lynn Goodendorf


From: Chris Gibson [mailto:cgibson@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:12 AM
To: 'Chris Gibson'; 'Maria Farrell'; gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx 
Cc: Goodendorf, Lynn (IHG)
Subject: RE: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group CSorry for the 
duplication * this message has the document attached.

Chris


From: owner-gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Chris Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:04 AM
To: 'Maria Farrell'; gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx 
Cc: 'Goodendorf, Lynn (IHG)'
Subject: RE: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group C


Dear All,

I have attached the draft final report for sub-group C with some revisions 
marked in red-line, which Lynn Goodendorf and I propose.  We believe these 
suggested changes are helpful to improve some of the writing, accuracy and 
balance of the report.

Thanks,

Chris Gibson

  


From: owner-gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Maria Farrell
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:12 PM
To: gnso-reg-sgc@xxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [gnso-reg-sgc] Draft Final Report of Sub Group C


Dear all,



Attached is the Final Report of Sub Group C, prepared by its chair, Jon Bing. 



We agreed on this week's call to discuss any further - hopefully minor - 
changes to the report using this mailing list rather than on a conference call. 



So please review this draft and circulate any comments on it to this list. 
Please do use 'track changes' mode if you suggest changes to the document. 



We should expect to finalise this report next week and submit it to the Working 
Group. I will also be adding some basic information to it about membership of 
the group and attendance.  



All the best, Maria