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[gnso-thickwhois-dt] MP3 / Thick WHOIS PDP Drafting Team - recording 20 September 2012 at 18:00 UTC

  • To: Thick WHOIS PDP DT <Gnso-thickwhois-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: [gnso-thickwhois-dt] MP3 / Thick WHOIS PDP Drafting Team - recording 20 September 2012 at 18:00 UTC
  • From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:15:48 -0700

Dear All,

The next Thick WHOIS PDP Drafting Team call is scheduled  on Thursday 27 
September 2012 at 1800 UTC.

Please find the MP3 recording of the Thick WHOIS PDP Drafting Team 
teleconference held on Thursday 20 September 2012 at 1800 UTC at:

On page:  

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:



Elisa Cooper - CBUC
Keith Drazek - RySG
Ray Fassett - RySG

Susan Kawaguchi - CBUC

Mikey O'Connor - ISPCP
Evan Leibovitch - At-Large

Caroline Hoover - RySG
Alan Greenberg - At-Large
Jeff Neumann - RySG
Ekaterina Dureva - individual

Marika Konings

Berry Cobb

Barbara Roseman

Nathalie Peregrine


 Frédéric Guillemaut  - RrSG

Susan Prosser - RrSG

Steve Metalitz - IPC
Avri Doria - NCSG

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Thank you.

Kind regards,


Mailing list archives:

Wiki page:

Information on WHOIS can be found on page


Participants subscribed to the drafting team

Wilson Abigaba - NCUC

Bob Bruen - NARALO ALS

Elisa Cooper - CBUC
Avri Doria - NCSG
Keith Drazek - RySG
Ekaterina Dureva - Individual
Ray Fassett - RySG
Alan Greenberg - At-Large
Volker Greimann - RrSG

Frédéric Guillemaut  - RrSG

Tony Harris - ISPCP

Caroline Hoover - RySG

Susan Kawaguchi - CBUC

Evan Leibovitch - At-Large

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Mikey O'Connor - ISPCP

Susan Prosser - RrSG

Tim Ruiz - RrSG

Carlton Samuels - At-Large

Michael Shohat - RrSG

Jonathan Tenenbaum - RrSG

Brian Winterfeldt - IPC

Jonathan Zuck - IPC


Stephane van Gelder - RrSG

Jeff Neuman - RySG

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben - ISPCP


Adobe Connect Chat Transcript:

     Marika Konings:Welcome to the 'thick' Whois DT meeting of 20 September 2012

  Barb Roseman:barb on call, will be on mute

  Marika Konings:Jeff has joined the call now

  Marika Konings:Carolyn Hoover has joined the call

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:icann has recently used the RSEP as a broad funnel for 
processing registry requests for things that are not actually services

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:as an fyi

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:+1 jeff

  Carolyn Hoover (dotCoop, RySG):+1 jeff

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:"collect and publish" is good

  Barb Roseman:would it help to capitalize Registry when we mean the TLD 

  Barb Roseman:and lowercase registry, when we mean the set of data

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:the registry collects if from the registrars, not the 

  Barb Roseman:what are you trying to distinguish here?

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:the word "manage" suggests that the registry is doing 
more than it actually is. registrars have the management role as it relates to 
the registration data because they have the relationship wtih the registrant.

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:registries simpley collect (or accept) and publish (or 
republish) the data provided by registrars

  Marika Konings:Maybe also worth noting that this paragraph is intended as an 
introduction to the issue, not necessarily a set in stone definition of thin 
vs. thick

  Evan Leibovitch:Sorry, called away. Just joined now

  Barb Roseman:I got dropped, but that looks like a good change

  Barb Roseman:what you are trying to make clear is that there's a difference 
between the TLD Registry and the Whois registry

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:the whois is the public output from the registry 

  Evan Leibovitch:It seems that in going into detail about who does what ... as 
opposed to what is collected and displayed .. this DT is stra

  Evan Leibovitch:aying very deep inti the PDP's own work

  Jeff Neuman:@evan, I dont think that is the case

  Jeff Neuman:We are not applying any judgement here

  Jeff Neuman:just reflecting what actually occurs

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:evan, i think we're just ensuring the current roles 
are accurately described. the question for the WG is whether it's appropriate 
for all registries to use one model over the other.

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:current models

  Evan Leibovitch:One would think, then, that the only deefinitions that matter 
(at the current time) are those enumerated in the Agreements. Everything else 
is interpretation.

  Evan Leibovitch:(including definitions)

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:"collected by the registry from the registrar"

  Barb Roseman:well, it's been defined many times, but this is consistent with 
the other working group definitions

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:we're not re-defining anything, we're making sure the 
definitions are clear and accurate based on how the process works in reality 

  Evan Leibovitch:Sorry Mikey. I've said my piece, I'm done

  Jeff Neuman:All - how long is this call scheduled for?

  Elisa Cooper:1 hour, I think

  Jeff Neuman:k...I need to drop at 3 anyway

  Jeff Neuman:(sorry...meant to say after an hour for those not on my time zone)

  Barb Roseman:consisstent of each whois data item, or consistent, meaning all 
provide the same data sets

  Elisa Cooper:Mikey - dropping off now.

  Ray Fassett (.JOBS):ok with me Mikey

  Marika Konings:Just wanted to note that the resolution doesn't spell out the 
question but refers to 'on the issues defined in the issue report' which 
summarizes the question as 'whether 'thick' Whois for all gTLDs should be 
required or not'.

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:It's inconceivable to me that the WG would reach 
consensus that Thick Whois NOT be required for all. There may be dissneting 
views in the WG, but a consensus on NOT requiring thick isn't very likely.

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:if anything, including this language would actually 
encourage the WG in reaching consensus on Thick for all, to prevent the specter 
of existing registries going from thick to thin.

  Evan Leibovitch:Agree strongly with Alan and Susan. It's a different question 

  Ray Fassett (.JOBS):fair point to me jeff

  Evan Leibovitch:It's not an issie of fairness. It's a matter of this PDP 
answering this specific question.

  Keith Drazek, Verisign:if there's consensus about anything, it'll become a 
consensus policy and then should/would apply to everyone, right?

  Ray Fassett (.JOBS):thanks Mikey

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