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RE: [gnso-thickwhois-dt] a modest amendment to our charter point on "privacy and data protection"

  • To: Jonathan Zuck <jzuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-thickwhois-dt] a modest amendment to our charter point on "privacy and data protection"
  • From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:35:11 -0400

I think the way it is currently in the charter does not preclude the types of 
discussions that Avri references and therefore do not support the modest 
amendment.  If this amendment to the charter is deemed necessary, let that be 
done at the Council level after the groups have had such time to discuss the 


Jeffrey J. Neuman 
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-thickwhois-dt@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-thickwhois-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan Zuck
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:26 PM
To: Avri Doria
Cc: Gnso-thickwhois-dt@xxxxxxxxx DT; Joy Liddicoat
Subject: Re: [gnso-thickwhois-dt] a modest amendment to our charter point on 
"privacy and data protection"

With few exceptions, these are aspirational, which cannot be our mandate. We 
can certainly discuss impact on "legally established rights."  I think it would 
be far more productive, and helpful, however,  to frame the discussion in terms 
of relative protections.


On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:10 PM, "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi,
> On 13 Oct 2012, at 15:11, Hoover, Carolyn wrote:
>> Avri,
>> Are these the 3 rights described in some place where the description 
>> is generally accepted as valid?  In other words, would the working 
>> group have to define these or has this already been done?
> There are varied sources.
> As In anything defined in International Law, there are various sources.  Yet 
> that facts does not lessen the importance of considering them.  We may decide 
> at some point that there is isn't an impact, but the question needs to be 
> asked.
> This is just a quick accumulation of references.  We can certainly undertake 
> to produce a set of quotes from International sources that implicitly give 
> the definition.
> The rights are defined in several International covenants.
> From the Universal Declaration of Human rights 
> <http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml>
> Article 19.
>    * Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right 
> includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive 
> and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of 
> frontiers.
> Article 17.
>    * (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in 
> association with others.
>    * (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
> Article 20.
>    * (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and 
> association.
>    * (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
> From the  Covenant on Civil and Political Rights 
> <http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm>  (this one is binding on 
> the countries that singed it)
> Article 17
> 1. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference 
> with his privacy, family, or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his 
> honour and reputation.
> 2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such 
> interference or attacks.
> Article 19:
> 2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right 
> shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and 
> ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in 
> print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
> Article 22:
> 1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of association with 
> others, including the right to form and join trade unions for the protection 
> of his interests.
> 3. Nothing in this article shall authorize States Parties to the 
> International Labour Organisation Convention of 1948 concerning 
> Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organize to take 
> legislative measures which would prejudice, or to apply the law in 
> such a manner as to prejudice, the guarantees provided for in that 
> Convention
> Other references can be found in various national instruments:
> e.g United States Bill of Rights, European Convention on Human Rights and the 
> Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
> Freedom of association is often know as Freedom of Assembly
> In the IGF, a coalistions defined them qas:  
> <http://irpcharter.org/campaign/>
> Everyone has the right to seek, receive, and impart information freely on the 
> Internet without censorship or other interference. Everyone also has the 
> right to associate freely through and on the Internet, for social, political, 
> cultural or other purposes.
> Everyone has the right to privacy online. This includes freedom from 
> surveillance, the right to use encryption, and the right to online anonymity. 
> Everyone also has the right to data protection, including control over 
> personal data collection, retention, processing, disposal and disclosure.
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