Re: [gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg] FW: Synchronization

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Alan,

for web-based whois registrars would actually be permitted to mirror the 
registry webbased whois output or use the registry port 43 whois. It is 
therefore only the registrar port 43 whois which cannot be mirrored that 
may (and does) cause synchronization issues.
Best regards,

Volker

> Volker, why is it the web-based Whois that would still remain a 
> registrar responsibility (if the port 43 requirement were removed) 
> would not cause similar problems?
> Alan
>
> At 20/03/2013 08:51 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
> > Hi Marika, hi Susan,
> >
> > a few comments on the template:
> >
> > The answers contained do not take into account the insynchronicities 
> > which may arise by modifications to the registry records by the 
> > registry without registrar submission, as may be required by a court 
> > order, or even worse, a closed court order.
> > In thin registries, in cases of a domain name being transferred 
> > without the losing registrars knowledge, this may lead to the 
> > registrar outputting outdated whois data for a domain name no longer 
> > under his control. Effectively, one domain name could have two or 
> > more registrars outputting wildly different data for the same domain 
> > name, and while the registry will reference the correct registrar, 
> > depending on where a third party performs his lookup, his results may 
> > differ.
> > In thick registries, this may lead to inconsistencies between the 
> > registrar whois and the registry whois may arise as such 
> > modifications are not necessarily transmitted to the registrar. 
> > Effectively, registries and registrars could conceivably output 
> > wildly different whois data. This would however be easily fixed by 
> > removing the port 43 whois requirement for registrars in thick 
> > registries. While the registrar would still have and escrow that 
> > data, the synchonization issue would be removed.
> > I am noting this because it is an actual problem (though easily fixed 
> > when noticed) where we had cases in thick and thin registries where 
> > changes occured at a registry level where we as registrar were either 
> > not informed at all, informed in a non-automated and not-documented 
> > manner (email) or informed incompletely ("... certain actions were 
> > taken with respect to the domain name xyz.xyz.").
> > Best,
> >
> > Volker
> >
> >
> > > From: Susan kawaguchi <skawaguchi@xxxxxx <mailto:skawaguchi@xxxxxx>>
> > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:16:23 -0700
> > > To: <owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx 
> > > <mailto:owner-gnso-thickwhoispdp-wg@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > Subject: Synchronization
> > >
> > > Please see the attached template on Synchronization.
> > >
> > > Susan Kawaguchi
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> > >
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> >
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
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Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
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