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RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Final charter proposal
- To: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@xxxxxxx>, "Jeff Eckhaus" <eckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Final charter proposal
- From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:31:19 -0500
I disagree that it's beyond the scope. It is my view that identifying possible
effects of policies under consideration is an essential component of informed
policy making. The AoC calls for this type of assessment, the GAC has, and the
Council itself has in connection with other PDPs.
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From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:05 AM
To: Jeff Eckhaus; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Final charter proposal
Like several others, I was unable to even access this draft until this
morning.
I strongly agree with Jeff E. that Objective 5 needs to be removed.
Objective 5 is not even a policy development objective; it calls for a
predictive study of "what effect" a particular contract proposed in the DAG
would have on "the retail and wholesale markets for domain names and on
consumers." This is way out of scope for a PDP. If some people want this
question answered I suggest that they hire economic consultants to do it (I
would happily put my name into consideration to perform such a study but the
price tag would be in at least the 5-figure range, and the time scale about 4
-6 months).
This is a policy development group, not a research team. We are
authorized to determine whether the DAG contract violates current policy; we
are neither authorized nor properly constituted to do scientific studies of
what "effect" certain structural arrangements might have on consumers and
markets.
--MM
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From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Eckhaus
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:22 PM
To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Final charter proposal
Sorry for the late response on this, but I have been travelling and
have only had a chance to review this draft this morning.
Objective # 5 is one that after careful review seems that either needs
clarification of the objective or needs to be removed.
Objective 5: To determine what, if any, effect that the potential
changes to the current restrictions and/or practices concerning
registry-registrar separation and equal access contained in the options set out
in DAGv3 and considered by ICANN staff will have on the retail and wholesale
markets for domain names and on consumers of domain names.
Since the current gTLD contracts have a broad range of provisions that
range from no CO to full CO, what are the changes we are trying to predict
here? The changes from what standard? Are we trying to predict what the effect
will be on new TLDs? Is that our objective to predict the future or just list
out what we see as possible outcomes?
We have already seen many predictions on what will happen if there are
changes to VI/CO/Equal Access and they range from increased competition and
lower prices to market manipulation and doom and gloom.
I do not think that we will get to consensus on what will happen in the
future, and I believe that was one of the points in the Staff report, so I am
just unsure if that is the objective in front of us, that we really believe
this WG can tackle or is it something else and I am missing the point.
Thanks
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:43 AM
To: Kristina Rosette; briancute@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Final charter proposal
Thanks Kristina and Brian for providing those comments.
Kristina:
I have upgraded the proposed charter to reflect what I read as being
able to reflect consensus within our group.
I found your Objective 2 much clearer than the previous one we had and
have therefore adapted it nearly word for word, simply removing the last part
of the sentence which not only seems like making the same point again, but also
lists the registrars as belonging to the registries. I think it would be a
mistake to portray things in this way.
I have also integrated your Obj 3, removing the reference to community
solutions as this seems such a wide-ranging field that almost anything could be
included and it would make the WG's work very difficult in my opinion. I have
included Obj 4 and 5 with the same approach.
My personal view is that your additions increase the area the WG will
have to cover and may make it difficult for the WG to reach all its objectives
within the given time frame. But as there have not been any adverse reactions
to your proposals within the agreed-upon time limit, I have included them and I
hope in a way that is satisfactory to your group. Please let me know if that is
not the case.
I have opted not to remove the definitions at this stage as I do not
believe there are clear definitions elsewhere of the topics this charter is
addressing. Margie, if that is wrong and as Kristina suggests, there are
definitions that the Board and Staff have been using, please let us know and
point us in the direction of these definitions so that we may include them in
the charter.
Brian:
I have upgraded Obj 1 to reflect your comment.
On the definitions, please provide suggestions for complete alternative
text if you are not happy with the definitions as listed. Alternatively,
following on from my point above, if Margie comes back with definitions already
used by Staff, would you be happy to accept those?
On the reference to consensus policies, I could not find the original
text for that.
Whilst these final edits are being ironed out, may I already ask all of
you to take this latest version of the charter back to your groups. I would
like to set a deadline for final approval at this time next week, say 16 UTC
Tuesday Feb 23rd. If the group agrees, that might allow the Council to vote on
the charter on the list, rather than waiting for its next meeting on March
10th, and therefore the WG would be given a few well-needed extra days to carry
out its work.
Thanks,
Stéphane
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