Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..
<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>All,<br><br>Just an idea, but given that there seems to be a bit of a stalemate here, perhaps I could offer a more fruitful line of debate. <br><br>I'll start with a question: is the *only* and/or *best* way to avoid the gaming that we fear enforcing vertical integration? To phrase this another way, knowing that we all agree on the nature of the problem (even if there disagreement as to its likelihood or impact), but have little agreement with respect to the particular solution (i.e., should we have any VI, and if so how much), perhaps we need to be a bit more creative about solving the problem.<br><br>If we don't have any consensus on this issue (and, currently, it seems safe to say that) it is ALL of our responsibility, as each of us is participating in this effort in good faith, to come up with new ideas of how to solve the problem we understand. One straw man idea that popped into my head was whether we could borrow from another area where corruption is a serious concern and concerned actors have been trying to regulate the problem away - politics. In the US there have long been laws about how to keep corporate money out of politics, but it has proven a huge regulatory challenge, for a variety of reasons not least because the actors in the game are smart (and given the recent SCOTUS decision, a complex set of bounding rules). Part of the solution in this area has been to rely more on transparency and less on difficult to enforce prohibitions. <br><br>I am not necessarily sure how this approach fits into this context, but I am open to ideas and encourage folks to help me in thinking creatively. There has got to be a way to address the gaming/corruption evil in a way that doesn't rely on resolving what seems to be turning into a debate about who gets how much of this version of 'holy ground'.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Gray <br><br>Graham H. Chynoweth<br>General Counsel & VP, Business Operations<br>Dynamic Network Services, Inc.<br>1230 Elm Street, 5th Floor<br>Manchester, NH 03101<br>(p) +1.603.296.1515<br>(e) gchynoweth@xxxxxxx<br>(w) http://www.dyn.com<br><br>Confidentiality Statement<br><br>Privileged and Confidential. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Dynamic Network Services, Inc. immediately at +1.603.668.4998 or reply to gchynoweth@xxxxxxx and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. This message is not intended as an electronic signature.<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: tim@xxxxxxxxxxx<br>To: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@xxxxxxx>, owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx, "Ron Andruff" <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Kathy Kleiman" <kkleiman@xxxxxxx>, "Graham Chynoweth" <gchynoweth@xxxxxxx>, "StattonHammock" <shammock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><br>Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:39:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..<br><br> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Trebuchet MS"; panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Vladimir Script"; panose-1:3 5 4 2 4 4 7 7 3 5;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph {mso-style-priority:34; margin-top:0in; margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:0in; margin-left:.5in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"; color:navy; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} span.EmailStyle21 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Courier New"; color:#993366;} span.EmailStyle22 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} span.EmailStyle23 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Courier New"; color:#003300;} span.EmailStyle25 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Courier New"; color:olive;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} /* List Definitions */ @list l0 {mso-list-id:967005875; mso-list-type:hybrid; mso-list-template-ids:-436961784 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715;} @list l0:level1 {mso-level-tab-stop:none; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level2 {mso-level-tab-stop:1.0in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level3 {mso-level-tab-stop:1.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level4 {mso-level-tab-stop:2.0in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level5 {mso-level-tab-stop:2.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level6 {mso-level-tab-stop:3.0in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level7 {mso-level-tab-stop:3.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level8 {mso-level-tab-stop:4.0in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} @list l0:level9 {mso-level-tab-stop:4.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} ol {margin-bottom:0in;} ul {margin-bottom:0in;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> Milton,<br><br>You are likely right about not carrying on this argument. You are caught up in your incumbent conspiracy theories and clearly aren't interested in considering anything else.<br><br>Tim<br><hr><div><b>From: </b> Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx> </div><div><b>Date: </b>Wed, 26 May 2010 09:10:03 -0400</div><div><b>To: </b>tim@xxxxxxxxxxx<tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>; owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>; Ron Andruff<randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Kathy Kleiman<kkleiman@xxxxxxx>; 'Graham Chynoweth'<gchynoweth@xxxxxxx>; 'StattonHammock'<shammock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></div><div><b>Cc: </b>Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx></div><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</div><div><br></div> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;">Tim, we are arguing past each other. You don’t seem to understand the point I am making. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;">However, I don’t think the argument is worth carrying on because I clearly do understand the point you and other industry incumbents (Afilias, etc.) are making, which is: </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;">“We are afraid of new sources of competition if we open the market to new business models and as the biggest frogs in a small pond we are quite comfortable with the way things are now, so we’re going to scare people into being ‘as conservative as possible.’” </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;">Message received. No point in debating the niceties of market power and competition policy. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;">--MM</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: olive;"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> tim@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:18 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx; Ron Andruff; Kathy Kleiman; 'Graham Chynoweth'; 'StattonHammock'<br> <b>Cc:</b> Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Can't speak for Ron, but my point would be that if there had not been separation rules it could be much worse.<br> <br> It has nothing to do with how successful a TLD is. That is just a misdirection. It has to do with what the entities involved could do to game the situation. Just because fewer registrants may be involved does not mean those registrants should not be protected. And with dozens to hundreds of new TLDs the cumulative effect could still be huge.<br> <br> Also, the TLDs may be small but the entities involved may not be, or have positions in related markets that open the potential for abusive behaviors we haven't imagined yet.<br> <br> The initial approach, first round, should be conservative as possible. Work can continue taking into account what occurs during first round and some period afterward.<br> <br> Tim</span></p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">From: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Date: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Tue, 25 May 2010 03:16:06 -0400</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">To: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Ron Andruff<randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Kathy Kleiman'<kKleiman@xxxxxxx>; 'Graham Chynoweth'<gchynoweth@xxxxxxx>; 'StattonHammock'<shammock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Subject: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> </span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">Ron:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">I think you have proven my point for me quite nicely. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">New gTLDs have a very high risk of not succeeding, and .travel demonstrates that. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">New gTLDs that think they are going to make money by “monetizing” generic names in the new name space can look at .travel for a very clear negative counterexample. And that was in a market with highly restricted entry! What happens when there are 200 – 1000 of them? </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">Because no one made money on .travel, no registrar was illegitimately excluded from participating in benefits. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">There was, in short, nothing to game. TRAVEL’s management played games, for sure, but not the kind of games we are concerned about and no one was really hurt except for the investors. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">Now, clue me in: is it your belief that structural separations would have solved the problems with .travel’s business? Are you saying that ‘travel would have succeeded in attracting the world’s travel and tourism industries and would have been a stellar name space if only we had imposed classical registry-registrar separation on it? </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">But wait a minute, we DID impose that level of separation on it. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">So your point escapes me </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">There is <u>always</u> something to game. .TRAVEL had 25,000 registrations. Then, when there was no one left in management to impede them, the new management set up bulk purchase provisions and suddenly the registry had over 200,000 registrations – some 90% of which were registered to companies far from arm’s length from the Chair and CEO of the registry. Monetization anyone? Whether they were successful in their end game or not is of no relevance. What is relevant is that gaming took place in a registry with no market power and none of it served the sponsored community: travel and tourism entities in any way, shape or form.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Kind regards,</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">RA</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;"> </span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Ronald N. Andruff</span><span style="color: blue;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">RNA Partners, Inc.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: blue;"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Milton L Mueller<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 24, 2010 5:57 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman; Graham Chynoweth; Statton Hammock<br> <b>Cc:</b> Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">My response to all these questions: Who Cares? When the TLD in question has no appreciable market share, or market power.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">What is there to “game?”</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 24, 2010 12:57 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Graham Chynoweth; Statton Hammock<br> <b>Cc:</b> Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Concern with RSPs. Graham and Statton, I have been thinking about this a lot, and the same questions keep coming to mind that have been raised throughout our WG process:</p> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="">1.<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"> </span></span>How do you know? How do you know to what extent the Registry Back End is involved in the decision-making, and setting policy? </p> <p class="MsoListParagraph"> </p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="">2.<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"> </span></span>How do you audit? If you don’t have the structural separation, then you don’t know what is taking place behind closed doors. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="">3.<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"> </span></span>How do you reduce the incentive for gaming? Again, I am not speaking to specific parties, who I trust. But we are trying to set up a system for a large group, a growing group. In that case, and given that the Registry Backend has access to considerable data, the same EPP data as the Registry, doesn’t it make sense to treat the matter in a clear, consistent manner: that the Registry, and the Registry Back End Provider, cannot own a Registrar more than 15%?</p> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Tx for the discussion, </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Vladimir Script"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kathy Kleiman</span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Director of Policy</span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">.ORG The Public Interest Registry</span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Direct: +1 703 889-5756 Mobile: +1 703 371-6846</span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Visit us online!</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(192, 80, 77);">Check out events & blogs at <a href="http://www.pir.org/orgbuzz" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(192, 80, 77);">.ORG Buzz!</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(192, 80, 77);">Find us on <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/dotorg/203294399456?v=wall" target="_blank">Facebook | dotorg</a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(192, 80, 77);">See the .ORG Buzz! 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If received in error, please inform sender and then delete.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Graham Chynoweth<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 24, 2010 12:25 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Statton Hammock<br> <b>Cc:</b> Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;">All,<br> <br> I had meant to raise this issue at the end of last weeks call, but forgot. In any event, in the interests of making progress toward reducing the number of open issues, I wanted to raise Statton's point again to see if we can find some agreement on it, and if so, take it off the table. The lack of more general response to Statton's question below suggests to me that the restriction is simply an artifact of a concern that doesn't apply wheen an RSPs doesn't control pricing policies or selection of registrars. Additionally, having tried to noodle on the issue myself, I just can't see how, so long as the separation of pricing/policy/selection authority exists, an RSP cross ownership would give rise to the behavior that folks are concerned about. <br> <br> Is there anyone out there still opposed to RSP cross ownership where there the RSP has no control over pricing/policy/selection of registrars?</span><span style="color: black;"> If so, what is/are the reason(s)?<br> </span><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: black;"><br> Thanks,<br> Gray <br> </span><span style="color: black;"><br> Graham H. Chynoweth<br> General Counsel & VP, Business Operations<br> Dynamic Network Services, Inc.<br> 1230 Elm Street, 5th Floor<br> Manchester, NH 03101<br> (p) +1.603.296.1515<br> (e) gchynoweth@xxxxxxx<br> (w) http://www.dyn.com<br> <br> Confidentiality Statement<br> <br> Privileged and Confidential. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Dynamic Network Services, Inc. immediately at +1.603.668.4998 or reply to gchynoweth@xxxxxxx and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. This message is not intended as an electronic signature.<br> <br> <br> ----- Original Message -----<br> From: "Statton Hammock" <shammock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><br> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<br> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:51:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br> Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] VI - An RSP Question..</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Thanks for the updated matrix, Berry and Kathy. This is very useful in helping to see the whole “proposal landscape.” </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">As I was looking across the columns, my focus went to the descriptions of how the proposals treat back-end registry service providers (RSPs). It appears to me that fewer than half of the proposals (4 out of 10) want the 15% cross-ownership restriction to apply to RSPs without qualification (I do not count the Board’s resolution either as a “proposal” or a “policy because, to me, it’s simply a “statement,” (an ambiguous one, too)). The other 6 either envision such a cap only when the RSP controls the pricing, policies, or selection of registrars for that TLD, or would allow complete cross-ownership so long as strict structural or financial separation exists. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">So perhaps we’re not too far from achieving a consensus on this particular issue. So, I would like to pose the question to Proposers #2 (IPC) #3 (Afflias), #4 (PIR), and #6(GoDaddy): What is the rationale for proposing an *unqualified* cap of 15% on RSPs? To me, this seems needlessly restrictive when the RSP is just a technical service provider with no policymaking authority for the TLD. Registry operators, not their back-end service suppliers, are responsible for pricing and policy decisions for their TLD. Registry Operators also would not want, nor permit, RSPs to act in ways that are not compliant with their ICANN agreements and policies. Also, it seems that there is no incentives for the RSP to discriminate against any registrar because they would want to see as many registrars as possible distribute the names in the relevant extension. Additionally, if my understanding is correct, the current marketplace demonstrates that registrars (DomainPeople, for example) and their affiliates (Hostway) have provided back-end registry services and sold names (.PRO) in those registries without any negative consequences. </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">So again to those proposers, what is the rationale for an *unqualified*<b><i> </i></b>15% cap on registry and/or registrar cross-ownership of a RSP in the absence of that RSP’s control over the pricing, policies or selection of registrars for that TLD? </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Thanks, </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Statton </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: navy;"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: gray;"> Statton Hammock <br> </span></b><span style="color: gray;"> Sr. Director, Law, Policy & Business Affairs </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; width: 264.75pt; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" width="353" border="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody><tr style="height: 0.25in;"> <td style="padding: 1.5pt; width: 73.5pt; height: 0.25in;" valign="top" width="98"> <p><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><img src="cid:image001.gif@01CAFCB3.3999D990" id="_x0000_i1025" width="120" border="0" height="31"></span></p> </td> <td style="padding: 1.5pt; height: 0.25in;" valign="top"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">P</span></strong><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">703-668-5515 <strong><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";">M </span></strong>703-624-5031 </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: gray;"><a href="http://www.networksolutions.com" target="_blank">www.networksolutions.com</a></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html> Attachment:
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