Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Record of SG breakdown.

["Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I would agree with that.
Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
Vice President, Law & Policy
NeuStar, Inc.
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Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Record of SG breakdown.

Very true. I would say most of us on this WG aren't representing our respective 
groups.

Stéphane

Le 17 juil. 2010 à 15:33, tim@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

Even with that we need to keep in mind that many of us, like myself, are not 
representing our SG.

Tim
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Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Record of SG breakdown.

Agreed, and factually correct AFAIK.

There is a list of WG participants by affiliation. This should be included in 
the report.

Why would we need to do more?

Stéphane

Le 16 juil. 2010 à 22:56, Jeff Eckhaus a écrit :

I assumed we would have a list of the WG members and their affiliation 
somewhere in the report. Similar to what Gisella sends out when listing the 
participants. I agree with Ron on the transparency and believe this would cover 
it.

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Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Record of SG breakdown.

In the interest of transparency, Paul, we must document that kind of 
information. Even though Roberto noted support will be apparent when the GNSO 
Council gets its turn, we need to document and preserve every facet of our work 
- Including the makeup of the those taking the poll.

RA

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Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised SRSU draft text

How will that help?  Won’t it be misleading to lump respondents’ poll results 
by SG when members within those groups are often in disagreement?  We all 
participate in this WG in our individual capacities.  Many participants have 
already caveated that their views do not necessarily reflect their employers’ 
positions, much less their stakeholder groups’.

As Roberto noted, support by SG will be apparent when the GNSO Council gets its 
turn at these issues.


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Mike brings up an important issue, which I also support for the same reasons he 
stated.

RA

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Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised SRSU draft text

Roberto,

It is critically important to identify SG affiliation when discussing poll 
results – or any other method of measuring consensus -- from a WG.  This is 
because WG’s are usually heavily weighted with contract party representatives, 
who often outnumber non-contract party representatives.

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
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From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
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Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised SRSU draft text

I am wondering whether, in light of the revised way the "new" GNSO should work, 
support from SGs is appropriate in a WG report.
This will come out, without any doubt, in the Council discussion, but one of 
the things we were trying to do in the GNSO Review was to separate the 
consensus processes in WGs from the votes in the Council.

Just my opinion.
Actually, this does not mean that the WG should not note support, but not make 
it a matter of SGs.

Roberto


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[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
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Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Revised SRSU draft text
If so, support of NCSG members for SR/MU should be noted in the report. The 
combination of CSG and NCSG indicates an important level of support among GNSO 
user representatives, even if it does not constitute consensus.

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[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
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I also think that SRMU is a case we pretty much rejected as too difficult to 
define without risking gaming and abuse. So the the emphasis should definitely 
be on the SRSU.


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