RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

[Jeff Eckhaus <eckhaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mikey - I think Antony, you and I are all in agreement here and was just a 
matter of language and detail, but we all agree on the correct path

Jeff


From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:57 PM
To: Antony Van Couvering
Cc: Jeff Eckhaus; 'Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

hi Antony,

i was pondering that too.

it seems to me that we're transitioning from Part 1 of our work to Part 2.  i 
think this is a good thing, by the way.

in Part 1, we were basically given a really harsh deadline under which to 
conduct a negotiation.  there wasn't time to conduct any research or analysis, 
we basically had to take our positions and smack them together to see if there 
was a path that equally disagreeable to all.  unsurprisingly, we didn't find 
that path.

in Part 2, we have the luxury of taking a bit more methodical look at things 
and see if we can figure out A Better Way.  and that is, i think, what we're 
starting to do with this thread about harms.

i'd like to try out an idea and see whether i get shot out of the saddle...

-- first, figure out what the problem is (i think the list of harms falls into 
the "define the problem" step)

-- then, figure out what the possible solutions are (separation, compliance, 
exceptions, etc.)

-- then, figure out which possible solutions will most effectively solve the 
problems

so, while i agree that eventually we're going to have to cover the bases of 
compliance and enforcement, i'm pretty comfortable just documenting the harms 
as a first step.  whatcha think?

mikey


On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Antony Van Couvering wrote:


Shouldn't this be the harms and compliance/enforcement group?  Seems silly to 
consider them separately.

On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:


hi all,

here's my starter-list of harms, collected mostly from the background documents 
on our wiki.  i could have sworn i went back and started documenting where each 
of these were described, but i sure can't find the draft i think i started.  so 
here's the raw list.  i'll keep hunting for the draft i started and i'll push 
it along if i find it.

mikey


<VI - Harms.pdf>

<VI - Harms.doc>


On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Jeff Eckhaus wrote:


As discussed on the call, I would like to move ahead with a group, sub-group or 
whatever formation we decide to document and explore the "harms" that have been 
discussed throughout the VI discussions. The harms that will come to consumers 
has been the reason some have opposed any sort of integration, yet we still do 
not have a definitive list of these harms and how they will occur, if they are 
actual harms or if they have anything to do with integration.  I know there 
have been a few links sent around and side discussions, but I think that now 
that the Initial Report has been submitted, we have time to actually work on 
this project and complete a formal list.

I see the discussion moving into two main areas. Harms from having integration 
and harms from not having integration. I think that once we have established 
each , we may be able to apply those to each proposal. Once this is complete it 
can be included in the updated Initial Report and will most likely help the 
Board in their decision making process since they will be deciding on the 
positive and negative of different levels of integration.

Maybe the best way to get this moving is to start a list below and people add 
their name.



Harms Team/Group

Jeffrey Eckhaus

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