Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

["Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

hi Antony,

i was pondering that too.

it seems to me that we're transitioning from Part 1 of our work to Part 2.  i 
think this is a good thing, by the way.

in Part 1, we were basically given a really harsh deadline under which to 
conduct a negotiation.  there wasn't time to conduct any research or analysis, 
we basically had to take our positions and smack them together to see if there 
was a path that equally disagreeable to all.  unsurprisingly, we didn't find 
that path.

in Part 2, we have the luxury of taking a bit more methodical look at things 
and see if we can figure out A Better Way.  and that is, i think, what we're 
starting to do with this thread about harms.  

i'd like to try out an idea and see whether i get shot out of the saddle...

-- first, figure out what the problem is (i think the list of harms falls into 
the "define the problem" step)

-- then, figure out what the possible solutions are (separation, compliance, 
exceptions, etc.)

-- then, figure out which possible solutions will most effectively solve the 
problems 

so, while i agree that eventually we're going to have to cover the bases of 
compliance and enforcement, i'm pretty comfortable just documenting the harms 
as a first step.  whatcha think?

mikey


On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Antony Van Couvering wrote:

> Shouldn't this be the harms and compliance/enforcement group?  Seems silly to 
> consider them separately.
> 
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> here's my starter-list of harms, collected mostly from the background 
>> documents on our wiki.  i could have sworn i went back and started 
>> documenting where each of these were described, but i sure can't find the 
>> draft i think i started.  so here's the raw list.  i'll keep hunting for the 
>> draft i started and i'll push it along if i find it.
>> 
>> mikey
>> 
>> 
>> <VI - Harms.pdf>
>> 
>> <VI - Harms.doc>
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Jeff Eckhaus wrote:
>> 
>>> As discussed on the call, I would like to move ahead with a group, 
>>> sub-group or whatever formation we decide to document and explore the 
>>> “harms” that have been discussed throughout the VI discussions. The harms 
>>> that will come to consumers has been the reason some have opposed any sort 
>>> of integration, yet we still do not have a definitive list of these harms 
>>> and how they will occur, if they are actual harms or if they have anything 
>>> to do with integration.  I know there have been a few links sent around and 
>>> side discussions, but I think that now that the Initial Report has been 
>>> submitted, we have time to actually work on this project and complete a 
>>> formal list.
>>>  
>>> I see the discussion moving into two main areas. Harms from having 
>>> integration and harms from not having integration. I think that once we 
>>> have established each , we may be able to apply those to each proposal. 
>>> Once this is complete it can be included in the updated Initial Report and 
>>> will most likely help the Board in their decision making process since they 
>>> will be deciding on the positive and negative of different levels of 
>>> integration.
>>>  
>>> Maybe the best way to get this moving is to start a list below and people 
>>> add their name.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Harms Team/Group
>>>  
>>> Jeffrey Eckhaus
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