RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

["Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

To create a laundry list of 'possible harms', and not attach any sort of 
probability and severity assessment to those harms, would be ridiculous.  For 
example, it's possible that a vertically integrated registry could capture 80% 
of the domain name market in its first year.

If members of this WG are unqualified, then who is more qualified?  Perhaps we 
can consult them...

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
tel/fax:  +1 (415) 738-8087
http://rodenbaugh.com 

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Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"


Again to restate....I don't even believe any of the existing registries or 
registrars are qualified to assess the likelihood of these harms.

And opinions of unqualified persons are not relevant.  Let's figure out the 
harms and how to address them and not worry about our opinions as to how likely 
they will be to occur.

Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
Vice President, Law & Policy
NeuStar, Inc.
Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx



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Sent: Wed Jul 28 10:42:09 2010
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"


Hi,

I disagree. Obviously.

I think everyone in this group is qualified to have an opinion.  Many of us 
have watched Rys and Rrs for years.  And we have a pretty good view of how they 
will behave. Using your analogy, I don't need to be trained in the field 
stripping of M16 (which I am) in order to be to tell how much danger it might 
hold in different peoples hands.  Now if the concern is the likehood that a 
particular piece of equipment might fail then yes you may have a better idea, 
just like knowing how to field strip and clean a rifle might give you a better 
idea of when it might jam.  but I don't think the risk of equipment failure is 
what we are worrying about.

And if there any possible harms to consumers, which i what I thought we really 
cared about, I doubt that Rrs and Rys have a better view of the than the non 
contracted types among the group members.

a. 


On 28 Jul 2010, at 15:31, Neuman, Jeff wrote:

> Avri,
> 
> I would not be in favor of this group assessing how likely the harms would be 
> as I do not believe opinions coming from those that never operated a registry 
> and a registrar together have any true basis by which to make a judgment.  I 
> think our job would be to figure out what harms there are out there and how 
> to address them.  But I fail to see how qualified we are as a group to assess 
> how likely it will be for a registry that operates a registrar to engage in 
> bad behavior.
> 
> An extreme analogy.  You take a loaded pistol and put it in front of 100 
> people.  Can our group assess the percentage of those people that will 
> actually use it on someone?  The answer is probably, no, we have no ability 
> to do that.  However, we can address the what if scenario by saying, we can 
> mitigate the potential harm by (1) making sure there is bullet proof glass in 
> front of the 100 people, (2) making sure that the pistol is loaded with 
> blanks....etc.
> 
> Maybe not the greatest analogy, but the point is that I do not believe this 
> group is qualified to opine via a poll as to the likelihood of certain harms, 
> but it can figure out ways to address them.
> Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> Vice President, Law & Policy
> NeuStar, Inc.
> Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
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> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wed Jul 28 01:48:29 2010
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"
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> 
> On 28 Jul 2010, at 03:06, Antony Van Couvering wrote:
> 
>> Let's prioritize for harms that are dangerous AND most likely to occur.  
> 
> I think after the Harms Sub Team lists all of the possible harms, setting 
> these two values may be a good use for another of Mikey's polls were we each 
> rate the degree of harm (H)  and the likelihood of  the harm occurring (L) on 
> a 5 point scale.
> 
> then to arrive at the ranking factor =  H * L
> 
> and then averaging and showing range for each defined harm.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> a.
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