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Re: [gnso-wpm-dt] WPM-DT: Step 3a (In Progress) -- Summary of Group Rating Session 21 Dec 2009

  • To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-wpm-dt] WPM-DT: Step 3a (In Progress) -- Summary of Group Rating Session 21 Dec 2009
  • From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:17:08 +0100

I absolutely agree and it was not my intention or wish to take the lead on 
this. Adrian, everyone in the group seems to agree that your idea is a good 
one, and that you should take the lead on it if you are OK with that.

Stéphane

Le 26 déc. 2009 à 16:07, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :

> One key elment of a red team is that the members have "fresh eyes', i.e., 
> have not been very actively involved in the process to date.  I think Adrian 
> meets that criterion because he has not been actively involved in our work, 
> but I don't think the same applies to Stephane.  That is not a criticism 
> because it has been very valuable to have Stephane's involvement; it would 
> just be harder for him to do the review as a fairly independent reviewer.
>  
> Chuck
> 
> From: owner-gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:39 PM
> To: Stéphane Van Gelder
> Cc: Ken Bour; gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [gnso-wpm-dt] WPM-DT: Step 3a (In Progress) -- Summary of Group 
> Rating Session 21 Dec 2009
> 
> I’d be happy to be involved as leader, however, as vice chair, and a fellow 
> member of this group, I’d also be fine you wanted to take the lead (should it 
> be deemed necessary of course).
>  
> As you wish...
>  
> Adrian Kinderis
> 
>  
> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2009 9:58 PM
> To: Adrian Kinderis
> Cc: Ken Bour; gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-wpm-dt] WPM-DT: Step 3a (In Progress) -- Summary of Group 
> Rating Session 21 Dec 2009
>  
> I think it's an excellent idea.
>  
> Is this red team something that would require a leader or coordinator? And if 
> so, which seems likely, would you be willing to be that person?
>  
> What do others think?
>  
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 22 déc. 2009 à 04:18, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
> 
> 
> Team,
>  
> I know I have been distant on this topic but I have been reading and watching 
> with interest.
>  
> Can I suggest the following (and it is only a suggestion);
>  
> In our organisation prior to a task being started, for example a release of 
> software into production, the Production Support Team will do a detailed 
> plan. This plan is the reviewed by the “Red Team” which are knowledgeable 
> team members that were not involved in the preparation of the plan. The logic 
> being that, a fresh set of eyes for review may be better to pick holes in the 
> plan.
>  
> Is it worth while me, and potentially others, putting my hand up to act as a 
> “red team” for this body of work? I could wait until you are complete and 
> take a look at the plan with a view to providing feedback?
>  
> Just a thought on how I could help given I have had limited interaction with 
> the team.
>  
> Merry Christmas to all.
>  
> Adrian Kinderis
> 
> 
>  
> From: owner-gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Ken Bour
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 10:59 AM
> To: gnso-wpm-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gnso-wpm-dt] WPM-DT: Step 3a (In Progress) -- Summary of Group 
> Rating Session 21 Dec 2009
>  
> WPM-DT Members:
>  
> I thought we had a productive call today even though we did not finish both 
> sets of X and Y dimensions in our group rating session.  As I indicated in my 
> earlier email, it was an extremely ambitious undertaking to attempt 21 
> elements in 45 minutes by the time everyone is connected and we have gotten 
> through the agenda preliminaries. 
>  
> Five team members participated in today’s DELPHI rating session:   Jaime, 
> Olga, Chuck, Wolf, and Liz (Staff).   Ken handled the session administration 
> including opening/closing the polls at the appropriate time and keeping track 
> of the results.   
>  
> The team managed to complete the Y dimensions and the chart below shows the 
> DELPHI results for Value/Benefit (Y axis).   The orange and green values are 
> median results that were taken directly from the individual ratings.   Since 
> the original range between high and low was 1 or 2 for those projects (and 
> StdDev < 1.0), we accepted the median result as the DELPHI rating without 
> further discussion. 
>  
> The black figures (see Delphi column) are the results of our collective 
> discussion and re-rating of each project dimension.   Taking advantage of 
> Adobe Connect, the process we used was to start with the Value/Benefit or Y 
> axis and, working from top to bottom (skipping the orange/green), Ken read 
> out the starting individual ratings.  Then he asked those who rated at one 
> spectrum (e.g. high or low) to provide their thinking and rationale.  
> Following that, we opened the floor to any other comments.  At that point, 
> Ken opened the online polling feature and asked the group to re-rate this 
> project dimension.   In all but one case, the first poll results were pretty 
> close to each other, thus, we accepted the median answer.   The one case that 
> would have normally taken a second round (or third?) was the ABUS project in 
> which we ended up with five different ratings of:  2, 3, 4, 5, 6.   Since 
> time was running out, we decided to table the discussion until later; but, on 
> return at the tail end of the session (already 20-30 minutes over), we opted 
> to accept the median value of 4.   Keep in mind that we are only testing the 
> “process” and not officially rating any project/dimension. 
>  
> Y VALUES = VALUE/BENEFIT
> Project
> SVG
> WUK
> CG
> JW
> OC
> LG
> DELPHI
> STI
> 7
> 6
> 6
> 6
> 5
> 6
> 6.0
> IDNF
> 4
> 6
> 3
> 6
> 3
> 2
> 4.0
> GEO
> 2
> 5
> 1
> 4
> 1
> 1
> 2.0
> TRAV
> 5
> 2
> 1
> 4
> 3
> 1
> 2.0
> PED
> 5
> 4
> 4
> 4
> 3
> 6
> 4.0
> ABUS
> 5
> 3
> 1
> 7
> 2
> 6
> 4.0
> JIG
> 4
> 6
> 5
> 7
> 4
> 3
> 5.0
> PDP
> 6
> 7
> 7
> 6
> 6
> 6
> 6.0
> WG
> 6
> 4
> 7
> 6
> 6
> 5
> 6.0
> GCOT
> 6
> 4
> 5
> 5
> 4
> 5
> 5.0
> CSG
> 6
> 4
> 4
> 5
> 5
> 5
> 5.0
> CCT
> 6
> 3
> 5
> 6
> 4
> 5
> 5.0
> IRTB
> 4
> 3
> 4
> 3
> 3
> 5
> 3.5
> RAA
> 4
> 6
> 5
> 7
> 5
> 7
> 6.0
> IRD
> 5
> 4
> 5
> 7
> 4
> 4
> 5.0
>  
> After this first DELPHI rating session, a few questions occurred to me that 
> may be helpful once we get to the point of evaluating/assessing the model, 
> its X/Y definitions, and the various rating processes that we tried.    There 
> is no need to answer these questions on the email list unless you feel so 
> inclined.   They are intended to be preliminary thoughts and perceptions, 
> phrased as questions, from my role as your facilitator. 
>  
> Thinking about our first DELPHI rating session:
> 1)      Even though time was compressed, did you find that you broadened your 
> perspectives from the discussions?
> 2)      Would you prefer more or less time for each project/dimension 
> discussion?   Should there be specific time limits or do recommend that 
> discussion time be kept flexible and unconstrained? 
> 3)      Did you feel as though you compromised your ratings (during polling) 
> in a way that was not the result of having changed your perspective or 
> learned something new?   In other words, did you feel any unwelcome or 
> unhealthy pressure in trying to find common ground?   
> 4)      Do you think that the group’s DELPHI ratings for the Y axis are 
> generally better (i.e. more representative of the definition) than any single 
> person’s individual ratings?   
> 5)      Did the Adobe polling process work satisfactorily?   Ken noticed that 
> several times, we waiting for the last result or two.   Were the early voters 
> influencing the later ones?   There is a feature to turn OFF the results 
> display so that raters cannot see what has occurred until after they have 
> voted.   Perhaps we will try it that way next time to see which way works 
> best.    
> 6)      I noticed that some comments made during the discussion implied that 
> certain individuals had been thinking of a different definition that was 
> previously approved for Value/Benefit, e.g. considering value/benefit only to 
> GNSO vs. the entire Internet community.   Should the Y axis definition be 
> revisited now that the team has had a chance to actually work with it? 
>  
> Next Steps:
>  
> In terms of efficiency, the group managed to rate 10 elements in 
> approximately 70 minutes.   For the X axis, we have 11 elements remaining; 
> therefore, I have suggested to Gisella a 90 minute session for the 28 or 29 
> December Doodle poll.   Assuming we are successful in accomplishing this 2nd 
> rating session, we also agreed to try for an evaluation meeting the 1st week 
> of January; a 2nd Doodle poll will be sent out for that purpose (Length=60 
> minutes). 
>  
> Again, thank you all for a successful session today and, hopefully, we will 
> have an opportunity to complete the X axis dimensions on either 28 or 29 
> December.   
>  
> Happy holidays to all,
>  
> Ken Bour
>  
> P.S.   I uploaded a new PDF to our Adobe Connect room, which now shows the 
> project acronyms instead of Sequence No.   Thanks for that suggestion!   I 
> also created a Note box that will remain visible at all times showing the 
> definitions for X and Y.    If anyone has other ideas for improving the 
> process, please let me know.   I will keep thinking about it also…   
>  
>  

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