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Re: [ga] I strongly support the comments made by Mr. Edward Hasbrouck

  • To: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, iic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx, "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ALAC NA Discuss <na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, icann-board@xxxxxxxxx
  • Subject: Re: [ga] I strongly support the comments made by Mr. Edward Hasbrouck
  • From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:38:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

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<P>Dr. Joe, Ed, and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; I concur fully.&nbsp; That said, be aware that if Dinese has her way 
the GA will cease to exist by a bylaw</P>
<P>change that none of us have had the opertunity to vote upon as we also do 
not have Board</P>
<P>representation.&nbsp; Also be aware that non-Registrants are not represented 
by their vote or</P>
<P>even opertunity to do same either.&nbsp; Such does not reasonably reflect 
transparency, openess or</P>
<P>adaquate accountability.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Now for a moment the "Constituency Model" approach which seems to be 
high on </P>
<P>Denieses agenda as a means by which participation should be 
"Channeled".&nbsp; Currently</P>
<P>as George has pointed out with emphrical refrences already, and has bee 
repeatedly</P>
<P>discussed from time to time historically on the GA and other ICANN directed 
or associated</P>
<P>forums, perspective members are ask to sign what ammounts to a "Loyality 
Oath" which</P>
<P>was re-coined by Milton Mueller some time back, in order to be "Allowed" to 
be a member</P>
<P>of that Constituency.&nbsp; Many of those Constituency charters subsequently 
require the disclosure</P>
<P>of PII that has in the past, and could very well in the future for any would 
be member expose them</P>
<P>to IDtheft, spam, Phishing, Pharming, and stalking as well.&nbsp; Such 
charters are not well thought</P>
<P>out and by design violate individual liberties befor the fact just to openly 
and Transparently</P>
<P>participate at all.&nbsp; How than can such a contrivance by design allow of 
open and Transparent</P>
<P>participation and serve the public good?<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Joe Baptista 
<BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Sep 25, 2009 7:47 PM <BR>To: 
iic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx, "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx &gt;&gt; GA" 
<GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, At-Large Worldwide <AT-LARGE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
ALAC NA Discuss <NA-DISCUSS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Governance List 
<GOVERNANCE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: [ga] I strongly support the comments 
made by Mr. Edward Hasbrouck <BR><BR><BR>If ICANN followed it's own bylaws 
scams like the one going on in German would not be happening.<BR><BR><A 
href="http://bit.ly/o4Qz5"; 
target=_blank>http://bit.ly/o4Qz5</A><BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B 
class=gmail_sendername>Edward Hasbrouck</B> <SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A 
href="mailto:edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN><BR>Date: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 
9:50 PM<BR>Subject: [ga] Failure to implement Bylaws<BR>To: <A 
href="mailto:iic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>iic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Cc: <A 
href="mailto:na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>, <A 
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>ICANN has requested comments 
by tomorrow, 25 September 2009, on proposed<BR>revisions to the ICANN Bylaws 
for "Independent Review" of ICANN decisions:<BR><BR><A 
href="http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm"; 
target=_blank>http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm</A><BR><BR>The
 fundamental problem with ICANN's current Bylaws for independent review<BR>is 
that those bylaws have never been properly implemented, and that --<BR>despite 
multiple requests for independent review of ICANN decisions -- 
no<BR>independent review comporting with either the present or the 
previous<BR>independent review Bylaws has ever been 
conducted.<BR><BR>(According to a cursory statement on the ICMRegistry.Com Web 
site, some<BR>sort of "hearing" is being conducted in Washington this week in 
response<BR>to ICM Registry's request for independent review of an ICANN 
decision.<BR>However, whatever is happening in that matter is not in accordance 
with<BR>ICANN's Bylaws on independent review. &nbsp;First, the proceedings are 
not<BR>being conducted with the maximum extent feasible of transparency, 
as<BR>required by the Bylaws. Second, the independent review provider and 
its<BR>procedures &nbsp;were not determined by ICANN in accordance with the 
procedural<BR>rules of ICANN's bylaws for such policy decisions. &nbsp;Instead, 
ICANN appears<BR>to have chosen the independent review provider and allowed it 
to determine<BR>procedures -- which procedures themselves do not comport with 
ICANN's<BR>Bylaws on transparency -- through completely improper secret, ex 
parte<BR>negotiations with the potential independent review provider 
while<BR>independent review requests with other parties were already 
pending.)<BR><BR>Changing the bylaws on independent review will accomplish 
nothing unless<BR>those bylaws are actually implemented (in accordance with, 
inter alia, the<BR>other provisions of the Bylaws with respect to policy 
development and<BR>decision-making procedures and transparency). &nbsp;ICANN 
has done nothing to<BR>give reason for any confidence whatsoever that ICANN 
will actually<BR>implement any accountability mechanisms, current or 
revised.<BR><BR>As I have noted repeatedly in previous comments to ICANN, ICANN 
has failed<BR>to implement any of the three accountability mechanisms required 
by its<BR>current Bylaws. &nbsp;ICANN's Board of Directors has never held a 
publicly<BR>disclosed vote to appoint or reappoint an Ombudsman. The 
Reconsideration<BR>Committee of the Board of Directors has made decisions 
which, by its own<BR>declaration, were based on matters not permitted to be a 
basis for such<BR>decisions. And ICANN has never conducted a policy development 
process to<BR>designate an independent review provider or develop or approve 
procedures<BR>for independent review, just as it never appointed the members of 
the<BR>independent review body provided for by its previous Bylaws.<BR><BR>(I 
also note that the ICANN's request for comments is materially false 
and<BR>misleading in its claim that, "ICANN has an Independent Review Process 
in<BR>place, as established at Article IV, Section 3 (1) of the bylaws". 
&nbsp;ICANN<BR>does not, in fact, have any process in place that has been 
established in<BR>accordance with ICANN's accountability and transparency 
Bylaws.)<BR><BR>ICANN has knowingly and wilfully persisted in this failure, in 
flagrant<BR>violation of its own Bylaws. Members of ICANN's Board of Directors 
have<BR>tolerated this ongoing and flagrant violation of the Bylaws. 
&nbsp;Given<BR>ICANN's failure to establish any other means of accountability, 
the only<BR>remaining mechanisms for calling ICANN to account are for the 
United<BR>States Department of Commerce to revoke its contracts with ICANN 
for<BR>breach of contract (in that ICANN has made contractual commitments to 
the<BR>DOC to observe its Bylaws on accountability), and for the State 
of<BR>California to revoke ICANN's corporate charter for persistent failure 
to<BR>operate in accordance with its Bylaws, as required by that 
charter.<BR><BR>Requests for independent review made under both the previous 
and present<BR>independent review Bylaws remain pending and have not been acted 
on by<BR>ICANN. The proposed revised independent review Bylaws are silent on 
what<BR>action, if any, will ever be taken on these outstanding 
requests.<BR><BR>Rather than revise the independent review Bylaws yet again, 
ICANN should<BR>implement its existing Bylaws on accountability, including 
independent<BR>review, by (1) appointing an Ombudsman, (2)compelling the 
Reconsideration<BR>Committee to act in accordance with the Bylaws in new cases 
and to<BR>properly reconsider those cases previous decided on impermissible 
grounds,<BR>and (3) designating an Independent Review Provider, developing 
procedures<BR>for independent review, and considering the backlog of 
outstanding<BR>requests for independent review, all in accordance with the 
procedural<BR>rules in the Bylaws for such decisions and actions, and the 
general<BR>mandate of the Bylaws for the maximum extent feasible of 
transparency in<BR>the operations of ICANN and its subsidiary 
bodies.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Edward Hasbrouck<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR><A 
href="mailto:edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank>edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><A 
href="http://hasbrouck.org/icann"; 
target=_blank>http://hasbrouck.org/icann</A><BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Joe Baptista<BR><BR><A 
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<P>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 
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