Re: [jig] Getting started
Thanks Edmon, Are you talking about universal acceptance solely at the technical level? Stéphane Le 27 nov. 2009 à 04:23, Edmon Chung a écrit : > This sounds like a good conversation and one other clear item of common > interest between IDN ccTLDs and IDN gTLDs is the acceptance of IDN TLDs by > systems around the world. ICANN has been working on the universal acceptance > of TLDs: http://www.icann.org/en/topics/TLD-acceptance/ > > This issue would clearly be heightened when IDN TLDs are introduced. > > Perhaps one of the items this group can discuss is the universal acceptance > of IDN TLDs. > > Edmon > > > > > From: owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry L > Davis, P.E. > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 5:03 AM > To: 'Andrei Kolesnikov'; jig@xxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [jig] Getting started > > Andrei > > I think your suggestions are probably critical to success. > > Fahd, As the different entities begin to plan on their implementations and > script standards, I would encourage all to consider the difficulties of > managing spelling/script differences to such critical items such as: > - Firewalls > - Anti-virus > - Load balancers > - Virtualized services > - Replication services > - Etc > > Getting the standardized and certified tools to manage these will be made > more challenging by variations in the scripts especially if the tools must > discriminate by the TLD of the domain name as to how they convert the IDN > names. > > Remember that the “Puny code” name translations as stored in the DNS are > unintelligible to anyone, regardless of your native script. So good tools > will be critical to full functionality. > > Take care > Terry > > From: owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrei > Kolesnikov > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:09 PM > To: jig@xxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: [jig] Getting started > > Fahd, > > Just a common sense thought – less mixing of the various scripts, the easier > way to launch gTLDs. One of the core success factors of Fast Track is the > script restriction. If talking about Latin .arab TLD, you may find the > comfortable situation in case where there is no Latin allowed for second > level domains, only IDNs, let it be even extended script table, including all > scripts you’ve mentioned. You may find useful the same trick for any Arabic > .IDN – prohibit Latin script for the second level. > The pressure to gNSO and new gTLDs has a name. This is big businesses and > trademarks from the Latin-script world and there is nothing wrong with it. > But this pressure can be minimized by restriction for two forms of IDNs: > - Only IDN second level domains in new latin gTLDs; > - No Latin second level domains in new IDN gTLDs. > > So, this is question of smart combination of Latin and other scripts. Kind > of “Fast Barak” (baracca, Italian – fast construction of the building). This > can go as a discussion sub-topic for already mentioned. > > If to apply for gTLDs in Cyrillic and understanding of the reality with TM > protection in Russia (and Cyrillic-use countries), I would recommend any > applicant to restrict gTLD only to Cyrillic and second/third/etc domains to > Cyrillic script only. > “Big Cyrillic” is larger than Russian one, but it’s OK. > > --andrei > > From: owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-jig@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fahd A. > Batayneh > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:01 PM > To: jig@xxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [jig] Getting started > > Hi Edmon, > > With respect to your first question, I would suggest discussing both items > since they might be of use to the IDN community. > > With regards to the Arabic script in specific and whether policies should be > applied alike for cc's and g's, my answer is NO! Since the Arabic script > consists of Arabic, Urdu, Farsi, Jawi, and Turkish languages, each community > can devise their own language table for their cc. However, as for g's, and > since various countries using the same script might require different > variants or digits, a different script table would be used. For example, we > in Jordan are going to use only the Arabic alphabets we use as an Arabic > speaking community with no diacritics or variants. Also, we will prohibit > digit mixing since digit mixing is not required. However, as for the Arabic > table devised for registering the .arab domain (for the entire Arab region in > Arabic), we might require some variants and some possible digit mixing! > > We could discuss this issue further in our next telephonic conference or > f-2-f meeting. > > Cheers, > > -- FAB > Sent from Amman, Jordan > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Edmon Chung <edmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Fahd, > > From your explanation, can I understand it to be interest to add an item for > discussion on one or both of: > - IDN language table/policy at the root for IDN TLD strings > - Consistency of language table/policy applied for 2nd/3rd level domain > registrations across TLDs > > I understand that you are talking specifically about the Arabic script, am > trying to generalize what you are saying into an item for discussion for this > group. > > With regards to Arabic script specifically, can you share with us perhaps > whether you think that the policies should be applied across ccTLDs and gTLDs > alike when Arabic IDNs are concerned? and why... > > The JIG is intended to be a group to discuss issues that are common (or > should be viewed as common or leads to an inter-relation) across IDN ccTLDs > and IDN gTLDs. Especially policy implementation issues at the root and those > which ICANN (or IANA for that matter) would concern itself with in > coordinating the security and stability of the DNS. [[Others please correct > or add to this :-)]] > > Edmon > > > > > > From: Fahd A. Batayneh [mailto:fahd.batayneh@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:25 PM > To: Edmon Chung > Cc: jig@xxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [jig] Getting started > > Greetings Edmon and Members of the JIG working group, > > First of all, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fahd, and I represent > JO (Jordan). I am one of the additions from the ccNSO. > > Since I am a member of the Arabic Script community, one challenge we are > facing is the issue of digit mixing. Other issues that have been discussed > and resolvedare the usage of diacritics, as well as zero-width joiners and > zero-width non-joiners. > > Since I am not aware of other scripts or languages other than the Arabic > script, and since I am not sure if the items I mentioned are of concern to > this working group, just thought of bringing them up in case... > > Cheers, > > -- FAB > Sent from Amman, Jordan > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Edmon Chung <edmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I understand that the ccNSO representatives along with some observers are > added to this list, and we are ready to get started finally :-) > > One of the discussions we had in Seoul (during the GNSO/ccNSO launch) was > that we anticipate the release of a report from the staff IDN team shortly > (regarding IDN TLD length and variant management). It may be useful for this > group to observe some of the outcomes from that effort as well. > > I wonder if anyone can provide some update on the release of that report? > > Based on previous discussions the 2 items that we have identified as items of > common interest were in fact: > 1. Length of IDN TLD strings (ccTLD vs. gTLD) > 2. Variant implementation at the root (for IDN TLD strings) > > Does anyone have any suggestion on other potential items to discuss? > > Edmon > Attachment:
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