[npoc] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] FW: ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input

[Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear David and Robin:

I dare not respond directly to this message by Mr. Rafik. Debate gets
derailed by personal attack or insinuation. Despite a number of mistakes in
the English language, which does not promote precise or quality arguments,
the intent is clear.  In particular, the personal attack is obvious in the
statement: *"...are you in the same case Alain?". *

By copy to the Ombudsman, I'm filing a complaint on grounds of breach of
article 1.2 d) *"...treating others with dignity, respect, and courtesy..."* of
NCSG Charter.

As a Board Member of a number of organizations - namely CECI and GKPF,
having to practice accountability often there, I obviously take serious
offence in that statement...

David, Robin, I know you are excellent and experienced leaders of NCUC and
NCSG and would ask you to please bring Mr. Rafik to order without delay in
your respective Constituency and Stakeholders' Group. In my opinion, this
must be done on the NCSG-Discuss list as that is the media through which
Mr. Rafik has chosen to make his derogatory personal remarks. Such breach
of standards of member behavior is unworthy of an individual such as Mr.
Rafik with notoriously high status in NCUC, NCSG, GNSO Council and NomCom
Nominee/Appointee. We must ensure the highest standards of member behavior
in our NCSG-Discuss debates.

I do not think running for office as a volunteer in ICANN and acting in the
line of duty as an elected Constituency Head should bring about such abuse
as Mr. Rafik has directed at me.

Thank you for your kind and prompt consideration in this matter,

Best regards

Alain



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] FW: ICANN Launches Accountability Structures
Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: NCSG-DISCUSS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


hello,

2012/9/18 Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hi All,
>
> Hiring independant experts is a standard organizational process used
> frequently by governments, private sector and NGOs.
>

I don't think that discussion about thus but  more the process established
( in fact no indication what kind of process was followed for hiring and
what were the criteria)

>
> Of course, arm's length experts are more knowledgeable about history,
> framework/context, political issues and ground realities like argued by
> some on this string. But being both an advisor and a stakeholder can be a
> conflict of interest more often than none.
>

a knowledgeable person about ICANN doesn't mean being a stakeholder or
active participant or advocate of specific interests, for example, Berkman
center and LSE made good reports and assessed ICANN in several aspects ..
like accountability without being active in ICANN but they HAVE the
knowledge and they did job in due time. btw how did you assess that those
experts doesn't have any conflict of interests?
and in Multistakeholder organization, I guess everyone is somehow
staekholder de facto nope?

>
> The hiring of independant experts does not take away from or negate
> bottom-up or multi-stakeholder approaches. Bottom-up process does not mean
> than bottom-up views always prevail - it means they are considered by those
> finally accountable (or else what is the difference between a dictatorship
> of the top or a dictatorship of the bottom?).
>

bottom-up dictatorship? there is no such thing, people are just asking the
leadership to be accountable and giving rationale of their decisions, not
judgment here or bashing. it is amazing for me to see how much people in
the top are uncomfortable with accountability and transparency (e.g. I am
observing this in Tunisia with assembly constituent and how elected folks
are not respecting the rules and engagement they made themselves....), are
you in the same case Alain?. the purpose is to make more process
transparent, hiring experts who make assess ICANN accountability is
important matter to be left to obscurity.

>
> The Board is accountable in the end and is free to choose the consultative
> processes they wish as per their judgment and circumstances.
>
>
they are free.. but they can respond to inquiry now and give rationale?  I
think that you are anticipating, we didn't even ask the board yet. we are
just debating and discussing.

Rafik


> I agree with Mary  that the gender balance is inadequate.
>
> Alain
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> I totally concur, its important "The Experts" should be  people who
>> understand issues on the ground in regards to ICANN and are fully aware of
>> the global Internet Ecosystem as it has evolved and continues to evolve
>> with ICANN role  and issues regarding Internet Governance as Mary
>> mentioned, to me in as much all these folks are knowledgeable folks in
>> their own right, they will have a lot of literature to go through first and
>> then  face to face dialogue meetings to conduct  before they can give  any
>> expert advice, I do not think that's what is required now.  Well that's my
>> personal  observation.  It will be interesting to see what methodology they
>> shall use in  conducting their assignment as "Experts".
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Poncelet
>>
>>
>> On 17 September 2012 12:21, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Milton,
>>>
>>> it is good question about how ICANN give procurement / hire consultants
>>> for many sensitive issues in not that transparent process.
>>> I don't know how to assess those experts but they seems more familiar to
>>> business/corporate world and their probable lack os knowledge that you
>>> mentioned in details raise questions how they can fit such important
>>> positions.
>>> I do agree with Mary comment too regarding diversity,
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/9/15 Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>  None of these "experts" knows a thing about Internet governance,
>>>> ICANN's history, ICANN or the political dimension of accountability. This
>>>> is a typical ICANN approach to a sensitive issue, hand-pick a bunch of
>>>> on-paper "experts" through who-knows-what kind of a vetting process who
>>>> will do a whitewash report that is guaranteed not to rock the boat****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm*
>>>> ***
>>>> ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community
>>>> Input****
>>>>
>>>> 11 September 2012****
>>>>
>>>> In fulfillment of ATRT Recommendations 23 and 25, calling for a review
>>>> of ICANN's Accountability Structures, ICANN has identified an international
>>>> panel of experts to serve on the Accountability Structures Expert Panel
>>>> (ASEP). Biographies of the experts are available at
>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.****
>>>>
>>>> The ASEP is interested in hearing from the ICANN community regarding
>>>> your thoughts on ICANN's accountability structures, particularly the
>>>> Reconsideration process and the Independent Review process, and whether
>>>> they can or should be modified. Your comments and inputs can be submitted
>>>> to ASEP@xxxxxxxxx and comments can be viewed at
>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/. Please provide your input by 1
>>>> October 2012.****
>>>>
>>>> The ASEP will be posting updates regarding its work, with a detailed
>>>> project plan expected by mid-September. All information regarding the ASEP
>>>> will be accessible from the ASEP page at
>>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.****
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>> Coordinator
>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
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>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>> The Gambia, West Africa
>> Tel: (220) 4370240
>> Fax:(220) 4390793
>> Cell:(220) 9912508
>> Skype: pons_utd
>>
>
>
>
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Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
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