[npoc] RE: [NCSG-Discuss] FW: ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input

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action, as I see that Alain has asked for NCSG to assist at first.

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From: Alain Berranger [mailto:alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:31 PM
To: David Cake; Robin Gross
Cc: Chris LaHatte; npoc@xxxxxxxxx; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bill Graham
Subject: Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] FW: ICANN Launches Accountability Structures 
Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input

Dear David and Robin:

I dare not respond directly to this message by Mr. Rafik. Debate gets derailed 
by personal attack or insinuation. Despite a number of mistakes in the English 
language, which does not promote precise or quality arguments, the intent is 
clear.  In particular, the personal attack is obvious in the statement: "...are 
you in the same case Alain?".

By copy to the Ombudsman, I'm filing a complaint on grounds of breach of 
article 1.2 d) "...treating others with dignity, respect, and courtesy..." of 
NCSG Charter.

As a Board Member of a number of organizations - namely CECI and GKPF, having 
to practice accountability often there, I obviously take serious offence in 
that statement...

David, Robin, I know you are excellent and experienced leaders of NCUC and NCSG 
and would ask you to please bring Mr. Rafik to order without delay in your 
respective Constituency and Stakeholders' Group. In my opinion, this must be 
done on the NCSG-Discuss list as that is the media through which Mr. Rafik has 
chosen to make his derogatory personal remarks. Such breach of standards of 
member behavior is unworthy of an individual such as Mr. Rafik with notoriously 
high status in NCUC, NCSG, GNSO Council and NomCom Nominee/Appointee. We must 
ensure the highest standards of member behavior in our NCSG-Discuss debates.

I do not think running for office as a volunteer in ICANN and acting in the 
line of duty as an elected Constituency Head should bring about such abuse as 
Mr. Rafik has directed at me.

Thank you for your kind and prompt consideration in this matter,

Best regards

Alain


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From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] FW: ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert 
Panel, Seeks Community Input
To: Alain Berranger 
<alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>>
Cc: NCSG-DISCUSS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

hello,
2012/9/18 Alain Berranger 
<alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>>
Hi All,

Hiring independant experts is a standard organizational process used frequently 
by governments, private sector and NGOs.

I don't think that discussion about thus but  more the process established ( in 
fact no indication what kind of process was followed for hiring and what were 
the criteria)

Of course, arm's length experts are more knowledgeable about history, 
framework/context, political issues and ground realities like argued by some on 
this string. But being both an advisor and a stakeholder can be a conflict of 
interest more often than none.

a knowledgeable person about ICANN doesn't mean being a stakeholder or active 
participant or advocate of specific interests, for example, Berkman center and 
LSE made good reports and assessed ICANN in several aspects .. like 
accountability without being active in ICANN but they HAVE the knowledge and 
they did job in due time. btw how did you assess that those experts doesn't 
have any conflict of interests?
and in Multistakeholder organization, I guess everyone is somehow staekholder 
de facto nope?

The hiring of independant experts does not take away from or negate bottom-up 
or multi-stakeholder approaches. Bottom-up process does not mean than bottom-up 
views always prevail - it means they are considered by those finally 
accountable (or else what is the difference between a dictatorship of the top 
or a dictatorship of the bottom?).

bottom-up dictatorship? there is no such thing, people are just asking the 
leadership to be accountable and giving rationale of their decisions, not 
judgment here or bashing. it is amazing for me to see how much people in the 
top are uncomfortable with accountability and transparency (e.g. I am observing 
this in Tunisia with assembly constituent and how elected folks are not 
respecting the rules and engagement they made themselves....), are you in the 
same case Alain?. the purpose is to make more process transparent, hiring 
experts who make assess ICANN accountability is important matter to be left to 
obscurity.

The Board is accountable in the end and is free to choose the consultative 
processes they wish as per their judgment and circumstances.


they are free.. but they can respond to inquiry now and give rationale?  I 
think that you are anticipating, we didn't even ask the board yet. we are just 
debating and discussing.

Rafik

I agree with Mary  that the gender balance is inadequate.

Alain

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Poncelet Ileleji 
<pileleji@xxxxxxx<mailto:pileleji@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Rafik,

I totally concur, its important "The Experts" should be  people who understand 
issues on the ground in regards to ICANN and are fully aware of the global 
Internet Ecosystem as it has evolved and continues to evolve with ICANN role  
and issues regarding Internet Governance as Mary mentioned, to me in as much 
all these folks are knowledgeable folks in their own right, they will have a 
lot of literature to go through first and then  face to face dialogue meetings 
to conduct  before they can give  any expert advice, I do not think that's what 
is required now.  Well that's my personal  observation.  It will be interesting 
to see what methodology they shall use in  conducting their assignment as 
"Experts".

Regards

Poncelet

On 17 September 2012 12:21, Rafik Dammak 
<rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Milton,

it is good question about how ICANN give procurement / hire consultants for 
many sensitive issues in not that transparent process.
I don't know how to assess those experts but they seems more familiar to 
business/corporate world and their probable lack os knowledge that you 
mentioned in details raise questions how they can fit such important positions.
I do agree with Mary comment too regarding diversity,

Best

Rafik

2012/9/15 Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx<mailto:mueller@xxxxxxx>>
None of these "experts" knows a thing about Internet governance, ICANN's 
history, ICANN or the political dimension of accountability. This is a typical 
ICANN approach to a sensitive issue, hand-pick a bunch of on-paper "experts" 
through who-knows-what kind of a vetting process who will do a whitewash report 
that is guaranteed not to rock the boat


http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm
ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
11 September 2012

In fulfillment of ATRT Recommendations 23 and 25, calling for a review of 
ICANN's Accountability Structures, ICANN has identified an international panel 
of experts to serve on the Accountability Structures Expert Panel (ASEP). 
Biographies of the experts are available at 
http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.

The ASEP is interested in hearing from the ICANN community regarding your 
thoughts on ICANN's accountability structures, particularly the Reconsideration 
process and the Independent Review process, and whether they can or should be 
modified. Your comments and inputs can be submitted to 
ASEP@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ASEP@xxxxxxxxx> and comments can be viewed at 
http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/. Please provide your input by 1 October 2012.

The ASEP will be posting updates regarding its work, with a detailed project 
plan expected by mid-September. All information regarding the ASEP will be 
accessible from the ASEP page at 
http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.



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