Re: [pdp-pcceg-feb06] Meeting is 23 Jan at 19 UTC - Today (not 23 Feb)

[Liz Williams <liz.williams@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jeff

I generally use the GNSO policy development guidelines in Annex A of  
the bylaws -- that provides some guidance about who is considered  
expert and how their "qualifications" are made public.

Liz
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Liz Williams
Senior Policy Counselor
ICANN - Brussels
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On 23 Jan 2007, at 18:29, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been looking for people who can speak with some knowledge.   
> Those who are recommend to me by others are the ones I reached out  
> to.  As you say there are no criteria of expertness.  In fact, as  
> the legal industry and academia  have shown time and again, experts  
> often disagree, and one person's expert is another person's biased  
> witness/scholar (to put is politely).
>
> So my approach is to reach out: to ICANN staff, to the registry  
> constituency, and to others who are generally known for having a  
> clue.  One of my criteria is:  if several people who I believe are  
> clueful point so the some other person as being clueful, then I  
> treat that person as having some degree of expertness.  I also  
> believe that in dialogue with a reputed expert, one always keeps  
> her salt shaker available.
>
> There has been a call out to the Registry Constituency to provide  
> its expertise on this topic for a while - an invitation reiterated  
> last week, and I do hope some expert per the Registry  
> constituency's definition of expertness shows up.
>
> I am trying to get a stalled dialogue (re)started and do not feel  
> we can wait for one particular type of expertise. And so, am  
> reaching out as much as I can.
>
> thanks
>
> a.
>
> On 23 jan 2007, at 10.01, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>
> > Avri and Task Force,
> >
> > Please do not take this as any criticism of Bruce and Jordyn, but how
> > did these 2 individuals get classified as experts in the field of
> > registry data?  I am not saying they are not experts, I am just
> > interested in the criteria the task force used to determine  
> > whether they
> > were experts.
> >
> > In addition, who from the task force made the decision that these  
> > were
> > the 2 experts we were going to rely on?  I know I missed the last  
> > call
> > (along with a lot of other people it seems), but I have looked for  
> > the
> > documented procedure on how one gets classified as an expert and who
> > chooses the experts, but could not find any.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> > Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & Business Development
> >
> > NeuStar, Inc.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pdp-pcceg-feb06@xxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-pdp-pcceg-feb06@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:49 AM
> > To: PDPfeb06
> > Subject: [pdp-pcceg-feb06] Meeting is 23 Jan at 19 UTC - Today  
> > (not 23
> > Feb)
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apologies for the error in the subject line.
> > The meeting is scheduled, as Glen has announced, for today, 23 Jan.
> >
> > Unfortunately this was too soon for ICANN to have an expert available
> > on "Registry use and collection of data, including traffic data."
> > Bruce is also unavailable, but Jordyn is available and has agreed to
> > attend the first hour.
> >
> > thanks
> > a.
> >
> >
> > > Proposed Agenda for Tuesday's meeting.
> > >
> > > I believe this is in keeping with the discussion held last week
> > > about the upcoming meeting.  with the exception of the meeting
> > > 'boiler-plate' the entire discussion will focus on ToR 5, i.e.
> > > Registry collections and use data, including traffic data.
> > >
> > > - roll call
> > > - interest statements
> > > - agenda review
> > >
> > > - 1st hour:
> > >
> > > Experts round table and Q&A on Registry collection and use of data;
> > > including the collection and use of traffic data.  This discussion
> > > should go beyond an explanation of the contractual conditions
> > > relating to data, including traffic data, but should discuss the
> > > actual collection and use of data, including traffic data, as
> > > practiced today.
> > >
> > > A request for experts was made to ICANN during the council meeting
> > > and to the Registry Constituency during the last PDP Feb06 call.
> > > An invitation has also been extended to Bruce Tonkin and to Jordyn
> > > Buchanan
> > >
> > > - 2nd hour:
> > >
> > > -- Substantive discussion of collection and use of registry data,  
> > > including collections and use traffic data.    discussion could
> > > include categorization of the data if categorization is needed to
> > > create proposed recommendations.
> > >
> > > -- Begin discussion on proposed recommendations.
> > >
> > > Members of the task force are invited to send proposals for ToR 5
> > > recommendations to the list.  We may get to an initial discussion
> > > of proposals during the latter part of tomorrow's meeting.  We can,
> > > however, continue the discussion on the list and proposed
> > > recommendations will be the focus of the meeting after next (6 Feb).
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > a.