Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Criteria

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:09, <tijani.benjemaa@xxxxxxxx>
 <tijani.benjemaa@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear all,
>  
> Since we will discuss on Friday the eligibility requirements and the 
> financial need criteria, I found it helpful to send again on the list my 
> e-mail of Saturday 30 July (below) to allow those who didn’t read it to have 
> a look and react
>  
> De : tijani.benjemaa@xxxxxxxx [mailto:tijani.benjemaa@xxxxxxxx] 
> Envoyé : samedi 30 juillet 2011 11:48
> À : 'soac-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx'
> Objet : Criteria
>  
> 
> Dear all,
>  
> Following our discussion (e-mail exchange, yesterday call) about the 
> financial need criteria, I would like to highlight the following points:
> ·         Once again, the definition of the criteria is one of our main 
> missions, clearly stated in the charter, and also clearly requested by the 
> Board after we issued the first milestone report.
> ·         I don’t think that the WG worked enough to find acceptable and 
> workable criteria.
> ·         If the WG thinks that we are unable to define them, it’s our duty 
> to look for who can help us to do. I proposed to write officially to the 
> World Bank, IDRC, and other potential donors/funders where we can find 
> experts in the matter. We may even try with private experts, and ask ICANN to 
> cover their remuneration. It’s very urgent to take real actions in that 
> direction if we want to have the work done on time.

Why not ask the GAC for advice? They're one of the groups pushing this and I'd 
assume some of them have some experience in the area .. 
Also, isn't George Sadowsky, who is already on the ICANN board, knowledgeable 
in this area ?


> ·         Alan says that the objective criteria can be gamed. He is 
> absolutely right. What can’t be gamed??? Nothing. There is always a risk. But 
> is it less risky to go on an evaluation with no objective elements, letting 
> the evaluators decide on their assessments and their feelings?

I'm not sure what you're asking

… 




> ·         He also says that the objective criteria will reject applicants who 
> may be needy. That’s also right. Any evaluation will do, should it be based 
> on objective or subjective criteria. Since all new gTLD applicants asking for 
> support can’t be all supported, there will be rejection. Is it better to 
> reject people on a personal feeling and/or assessment, rather than on 
> objective elements that give all applicants the same chance?


I'd personally have a preference towards objectivity


> ·         If I follow Alan’s rational, it would be better to remove all lows 
> and rules, and use instead subjective evaluation. For example, the judge will 
> not use the lows and the rules anymore to decide to punish (or not) the 
> criminals. He will only decide based on his personal assessment of the crime 
> and circumstances. The proposal of using subjective evaluation together with 
> objective criteria matches with what the judges do now.

That depends on your judicial system 

> They have as reference the articles of the low, and they decide using their 
> personal (subjective) evaluation.  
> ·         If I strongly advocate for the use of objective criteria, together 
> with the subjective evaluation, it’s because I’m really afraid it will not be 
> fair, and the needy applicants from developing countries can be excluded from 
> the process because of complaisance and other subjective things.

> ·         The idea of having the combination of objective and subjective 
> evaluations got a lot of support among the working group members. Another 
> idea got also support consisting in an evaluation panel of volunteers 
> assisted with professional experts. 
> ·         If the applicant support program will lead to support applicants 
> mainly from rich countries, it will be a big failure of our working group 
> because the new gTLD program will not be inclusive, and will be a program of 
> rich people for the benefit of rich regions.   


How is "rich" defined?

Where is the line drawn?

Is it based on how much money a government owes? or on per head of population 
income or something else?

Regards

Michele


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